Some North Eastern & LNER Locomotive Builds

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Re: Some North Eastern & LNER Locomotive Builds

Postby Le Corbusier » Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:34 pm

just catching up here .... marvellous set of evocative photos .... thanks for sharing :thumb
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Re: Some North Eastern & LNER Locomotive Builds

Postby mikemeg » Fri Mar 29, 2019 12:37 pm

Le Corbusier wrote:just catching up here .... marvellous set of evocative photos .... thanks for sharing :thumb


Many thanks. Somehow, black and white photos seem to represent the days of steam much more appropriately than colour!

Here's anther gloriously evocative photo, courtesy Mick Nicholson, of a J39 held by signals in Hessle Station on the up slow line. This was the place where we spent our Saturdays and many school holiday days just watching the trains and there were so many, from so many different places.

This country station was and still is some four or five miles from Hull's centre, situated on the main line to Selby, Doncaster and all points beyond. Once it was a four track main line, with semaphore signalling, gas lighting and the assortment of buildings which North Eastern stations exhibited. A working goods yard and station staff all contributed to that timeless feel of this place.

Now, of course, the layout is rationalised to two track. The goods yard, semaphore signals and signal box are gone and the station is unmanned and sadly neglected, though still operational.

Anyway, a photo of a wet winter's day in a different time.

Cheers

Mike
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Re: Some North Eastern & LNER Locomotive Builds

Postby Horsetan » Sat May 04, 2019 11:41 am

iak wrote:Ooop, better get the cash flow sorted then... :?


Kit's arrived!

Just need to sort out HL hornblocks, Ultrascales and GS sprung buffers for it.
That would be an ecumenical matter.

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Re: Some North Eastern & LNER Locomotive Builds

Postby mikemeg » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:17 am

I haven't posted anything to this or the signal thread for a few weeks as I have been preoccupied with producing some diagramatic instructions for the London Road Models B16/1 kit. As that job is now largely complete, then I'm now back into some building.

Before I post any pictures of the current building projects, here's a photo of some of the tank locos now around on Hessle Haven. Since this photo was taken, the tank engine fleet has increased by another two J72's, a further two J77's, an N10 and another A6 4-6-2 tank, with another T1 4-8-0 tank also in the paint shop.

As 'something completely different', some years ago, while recovering from illness, I built some aircraft models; all of WWII prototypes. So here's a picture of a Halifax; the picture simply called 'Waiting for Dusk'.

Cheers

Mike
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Re: Some North Eastern Locomotive Builds

Postby Crepello » Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:22 pm

Horsetan wrote:
Horsetan wrote:I wonder if the Bradwell chassis would work under the later Hornby body?
I've never seen a Hornby B1 come up for spares, not even from the eBay RTR dismantler who used to offer some very broken Hornby-China engines.


Since mention has been made earlier in this thread of a possible Hornby equivalent of the Bradwell/Bachmann hybrid B1, I thought this might be the place to leave the following observations.

I have now managed to track down and acquire a Hornby B1 spare loco body. An evening with a vernier, Darlington’s Frame Plan and NBL’s Pipe & Rod drawing reveals the following deviations on the model relative to prototype dimensions. I have stated them in equivalent prototype units.

Footplate lengths, three sections individually:
Rear dropped section: error 0
Centre raised section: error +3/8”
Front dropped section: error +1 1/8”

The small discrepancies could arise including the amounts of the slight plate overhangs of the vertical surfaces, while not actually reproducing them.

Footplate relative heights:
Centre - Rear sections: error +2 1/2”
Centre - Front sections: error +2 1/4”
Front footstep - Front sect.: error +2”
Front platform - Front sect.: error 0
Boiler c/l - Front section: error 0
Boiler c/l - Cabside window: error 0
Cabside window - Rear section: error +1/2”

The fractions probably indicate as much about my measuring technique as Hornby’s design intentions.

Front section widths:
Over mainframes: error -2 1/4”

This means the outside face of Hornby’s frames aligns with the inner face of the prototype. It also makes the outer footplate sections too wide, which does visually compensate for their excess height.

So Dave Bradwell’s impression about the frontal aspect of the Hornby model, conveyed to me at a Scaleforum, was correct. However I believe it is a considered compromise rather than a blunder which is at work here. There is a mere 3/4” clearance between the footplate valance angle and driving wheel tread on the prototype, while the model has to fill in behind this valance for strength. Hence a perceived need to raise the footplate a scale 2 1/2” or so to clear r-t-r standard wheels. This also brought the footplate close enough to the correctly-pitched boiler to enable them to be united for strength.

The detailing is lovely though!

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Re: Some North Eastern & LNER Locomotive Builds

Postby davebradwell » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:06 am

It just so happens that I'm working on my Hornby B1 body at the moment. Replica managed to get the wheels in their B1 with the bottom face of the platform (actually the valence edge) at the correct height but it was over scale thickness so the top was high. As a result I produced a correct chassis with scale motion bracket. The Hornby body has the platform and valence nearer scale thickness but the whole thing is lifted so there's a gap to fill above the bracket. I think I compromised the other heights so that a 0.25 or 0.3mm spacer was sufficient but the front buffer height isn't correct. The platform is a little wide giving a step out from the motion bracket rather than being flush.

It's frustrating how these small errors can affect the result but I do agree it looks a fine thing and I've reduced the boiler bands and substituted a 0.9 wire ejector pipe on the side of the boiler. There were some unpleasant tooling marks around 10 to 2 on the boiler which I've managed to reduce. Current problem is the tender platform which sags, leaving a gap below the body towards the front and I've so much stuff in there that I haven't yet found places for fixing screws. Buffers are rather close together. Star feature of the tender is the 2mm wide slots moulded behind the axleboxes so it can be sprung like a wagon with little plates. It will become Sassaby so has lost the rather neat electric lighting and chunky speedo brkt.

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Re: Some North Eastern & LNER Locomotive Builds

Postby mikemeg » Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:17 am

LONDON ROAD MODELS LNER B16/1


It's some time since I posted anything regarding the building of my locomotives. This largely due to finishing a set of diagrammatic instructions for the LRM B16/1 kit. Those instructions are now done but, in the course of doing them, I had to part build another of these kits as I had forgotten some of the sequence of assembly which I adopted on the first build. I also needed to test the new etches which LRM have added to the kit.

Anyway, as a result of this, I now have another part built B16/1; this one with the LNER designed 49a boiler and the plain splasher fronts which were a feature of the last fifteen of this class which were built by the LNER. In fact, the LNER built thirty two of the seventy strong class from January 1923 - January 1924.

So this is the current state of the model. The further progress of this build I will cover on here as it progresses. The second photo is the prototype for this model, photographed at Hull Dairycoates shed sometime before December 1951, when it received a general overhaul, reversion to an original pattern 49 boiler and repaint.

I won't be following the photo of the prototype in building the model with a very bent front footplate, even though by this time (1950) many of the B16's exhibited this same deformation of the front footplate. I remember when I built the three G5's, looking at prototype photos of these locos in the 1950's and seeing almost everyone with a bowed footplate. Again, not reproduced on the models.

Cheers

Mike
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Re: Some North Eastern Locomotive Builds

Postby mikemeg » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:57 pm

PeteT wrote:I enjoyed following the build on RMW, and look forward to it being available.

Am I right in thinking that the precise driving wheel isn't available, but Ultrascale have an option 1 spoke out?

Its just a shame about the prototypes cab side windows - as otherwise it's a very graceful machine!


This posting was made, by PeteT, in October 2018 and I refer to it because the kit is now available. Details of prices are covered in the latest issue of the Scalefour News.

Cheers

Mike

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Re: Some North Eastern & LNER Locomotive Builds

Postby mikemeg » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:25 pm

LONDON ROAD MODELS LNER B16/1

So, having come thus far, on this second B16/1, then perhaps I'll go a little further before returning to the B1 chassis.

The cab sides and front are a single etching so before I fold this etching, some of the cab detailing can be added. The window sliders are not supplied in the kit, though the sliding window frames are. So a fairly simple task to build the window slides to accommodate the windows; I used plasticard strip for this with two layers of .010" strip making up the slider. The inner layer is .030" (0.75 mm) wide; the outer layer is .050" (1.25 mm) wide providing a .020" housing at the top and bottom of the sliders. The sliding windows, shown in the photos, are not fixed but merely placed there to check that they slide!

The cab rear beading and window beading is held in place with tweezers and soldered only from the open edges, relying on capillary action to take the solder between the parts. This prevents any solder from straying onto the cab side sheets or front. The soldered edges can then be easily cleaned up with very fine files, resulting in a very clean finished job.

I've also taken the opportunity of adding the handrail stanchions while the cab etch is flat as the parts of the stanchions protruding into the cab need to be filed flush. I always glue these stanchions in place, using superglue, as this allows for some adjustment of the handrail stanchion and I always line the stanchions up using a piece of 0.4 mm wire, as shown in one of the photos.

These photos also show how the firebox actually passes through the cab front to protrude some 3 mm into the cab. This does necessitate getting the firebox profile exactly matching the profile of that cut out to prevent the cab front deforming or there being gaps when the firebox is added.

Cheers

Mike
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Re: Some North Eastern & LNER Locomotive Builds

Postby mikemeg » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:56 pm

LONDON ROAD MODELS LNER B16/1

And now for one of those 'moments of truth'!

Does the firebox pass through the cab without any gaps - is the firebox profile correct, while allowing both of the cab sides to sit parallel and squarely on the footplate without any distortion, does the boiler sit absolutely parallel to the footplate and with no gaps between the firebox and the middle and rear splashers?

If the answers to this 'compound' question are all yes, with nothing yet fixed, then all is well to proceed!

The smokebox door is also not yet fixed so is merely resting within the smokebox front. And yes, the brass has been polished with the fibre brush. I get through a lot of fibre brush refills in the course of a build!!

One thing I should mention is that the boiler bands are not the ones supplied in the kit. These are from Arthur Kimber and are etched from .004" nickel silver and then thinned down, with emery paper, to around .002 prior to being soldered to the boiler. These bands are available from North Eastern Kits (see small suppliers for the address) as an individual item.

Now it begins to look like a B16/1.

Cheers

Mike
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Re: Some North Eastern & LNER Locomotive Builds

Postby Dave Holt » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:42 pm

Mike,
Looks to be a well produced kit and turning into a very nice build.
With regard to glass fibre brushes, how do you avoid getting the bristle splinters in your fingers? Whenever I use one, I'm afflicted with painful slinters for days after, even though I try to sweep them off the work tray straight away.
Dave.

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Re: Some North Eastern & LNER Locomotive Builds

Postby mikemeg » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:34 pm

Dave Holt wrote:Mike,
Looks to be a well produced kit and turning into a very nice build.
With regard to glass fibre brushes, how do you avoid getting the bristle splinters in your fingers? Whenever I use one, I'm afflicted with painful slinters for days after, even though I try to sweep them off the work tray straight away.
Dave.


Dave,

I'm not entirely sure that I do avoid getting the bristle splinters in my fingers! When I was a kid (ten, eleven, twelve) I grew cactus plants in my father's green house. Some of these had very fine though very sharp hairs, much like the fibre brush and I really could feel them if they crept into the finger joints. So, from an early age, I have subjected my fingers to all sorts of mistreatment. With the fibre brush I don't notice any bristle splinters, so perhaps age, handling of hot metal, etc. has inured them, though I haven't lost any dexterity - at least not yet!

As ever Dave, thanks for the kind words. The kit is now thirty years old so has stood the test of time very well.

Cheers

Mike
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Re: Some North Eastern & LNER Locomotive Builds

Postby mikemeg » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:57 am

I guess one of my 'hobby horses' with regard to these modelling websites, is the use of photographs.

All of my model photographs are posed; I have a permanently set up table, with a piece of coloured card curved to 90 degrees as the background. The models are lit with a daylight lamp and I use macro mode, with a focal length down to around 9", on an old Olympus Camedia camera. This camera produces .jpg files sufficiently small to fall within the upload limits of all of the modelling websites and which will upload in seconds.

The black and white photos, which Mick Nicholson provides, have all undergone extensive cleaning up, by Mick. He has become very skilled at this process as many of them are foxed and faded and often they require the removal of a stray telegraph pole or shed lamp with some reorientation to straighten up the image also being required.

Both Mick and myself feel that these old black and white photos must be preserved as, for many locations and times, these are all we have to serve as reminders of the railway we knew and loved. They can never be taken ever again.

So here are a couple of such photos of the B16/3 Thompson (top photo) and B16/2 Gresley (lower photo) rebuilds of the B16/1.

Cheers

Mike
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