GWR Steam Railmotor Chassis

Jeremy Suter
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Re: GWR Steam Railmotor Chassis

Postby Jeremy Suter » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:00 am

Seasons Greetings to all and I do appreciate all the great comments which does give me encouragement to get on with this project.

As I have two pet hates with coach construction, I designed the body so that it becomes more rigid for handling and easy to fit the glazing without getting glue on the glass.

I have spent the holiday break catching up on this project by finishing all the etches I have drawn and got it running.
So that's The Motor Bogie. Available as kit. The 8' Fishbelly and the Underframe is now done just waiting for the Lost Wax Buffer Heads to arrive. Then I will do the Instructions. Lastly the body test etch, very pleased with this as a first attempt. The two main corrections to do are the partitions and one of the sliding door on the boiler end which I should have mirrored rather than copying.

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View of the 8' Fishbelly bogie with the castings on I have also fitted pickups to this end and will add an extra note on the Fishbelly instructions page as to how I did it invisibly.
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The end view showing it clearly has a tumblehome and also the Screw link Coupling which I did. The Vacuum Pipe I always make myself from .7mm wire with 36SWG copper wire wound round rather than use a casting which usually breaks when painted.
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I still need to add the Grab and Door Handles which I will do after painting although I have put on the Handle for the luggage compartment as this has a jig on the etch so that I could file bend round file flat the face, which I wanted to make sure it worked. I will remove it before painting.
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martin goodall
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Re: GWR Steam Railmotor Chassis

Postby martin goodall » Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:00 pm

I wonder if there may be some confusion in the nomenclature here?

A 'tumblehome' is an inward cant of the body sides above the waist line (originally a naval term for the inward slope of the hull of a wooden warship above the waterline). The term for the inward curve of a coach body below the waistline is a 'turnunder'.

The GWR autotrailers had a turnunder, but not a tumblehome. The Special Saloons had both. Off-hand, I can't remember whether the Dreadnoughts had a tumblehome (as well as a turnunder).

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Re: GWR Steam Railmotor Chassis

Postby Noel » Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:14 pm

martin goodall wrote:The GWR autotrailers had a turnunder, but not a tumblehome.


Apart from the matchboarded railmotor conversions, which had neither in both incarnations.
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Re: GWR Steam Railmotor Chassis

Postby Philip Hall » Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:54 pm

The naval stuff I’m familiar with; a lot of ships had a tumble home above the belting and flare (particularly at the bow) below. The preserved motor ship, Balmoral, sadly laid up right now in Bristol, is a classic example.

Now I know you shouldn’t take Wikipedia as concrete evidence, but that says that tumblehome in railway parlance can also be applied to Martin’s ’turnunder’! If a carriage has both, I’m inclined to Martin’s definitions, but it gets confusing...

Philip

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Re: GWR Steam Railmotor Chassis

Postby Phil O » Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:12 pm

Jeremy,

That looks fantastic, what livery will you be painting it, I'm assuming that you will be painting it?

No rush in producing the kit, as I am involved in a swearing match with the Worsley Works Diag Q and R auto trailer etches, which are one step forward and 3 back!

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Re: GWR Steam Railmotor Chassis

Postby martin goodall » Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:08 pm

Noel wrote:
martin goodall wrote:The GWR autotrailers had a turnunder, but not a tumblehome.


Apart from the matchboarded railmotor conversions, which had neither in both incarnations.


Noel is absolutely right. I knew there were some exceptions, but forgot that this included the match-boarded railmotors and autotrailers.

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Re: GWR Steam Railmotor Chassis

Postby Jeremy Suter » Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:52 am

Another step forward toward the kit has arrived from Slaters who have done some lost wax casting for me in nickel silver.
Is the buffer heads they have a neat hole in the end to find the centre for drilling out to fit the tale rod.

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Also included on the casting is a centre piece for the screw link couplings, still need to add the turning pole.

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The buffer heads cut off and drilled out with a .5mm drill and a Nickel silver wire added for the tale and a buffer spring added.
There is a pop mark in the centre part of the coupling so it can be drilled out with a .3mm drill and a wire added for the turning pole. The Pole has been folded over at each end and a blob of solder on to stop it coming out .

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Bufferheads added, the tale has been folded and runs in a slot to keep it straight. I have not added the cast coupling centre yet it still has the etched one.
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Re: GWR Steam Railmotor Chassis

Postby Horsetan » Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:26 am

Wow :shock: :thumb
That would be an ecumenical matter.

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Re: GWR Steam Railmotor Chassis

Postby Crepello » Sat Jan 19, 2019 7:36 pm

Jeremy Suter wrote:Another step forward toward the kit has arrived from Slaters who have done some lost wax casting for me in nickel silver.

Is that a service they'll perform for anyone?

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Re: GWR Steam Railmotor Chassis

Postby Jeremy Suter » Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:25 pm

Crepello Wrote
Is that a service they'll perform for anyone?

Yes they will but masters need to be made and soldered at high temperature to go through Vulcanisation mould process at 180 degrees. The costs are £20 for the mould and £2.80 per casting plus VAT.

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Re: GWR Steam Railmotor Chassis

Postby MPR » Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:35 pm

Very neatly done - these are especially vulnerable parts on a bow-ended vehicle and will be much more robust as well as functioning and looking better. Fantastic to see further progress on this fascinating design and build!

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Re: GWR Steam Railmotor Chassis

Postby Jeremy Suter » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:31 pm

I have been having a few problems with the roof as not sure about all the roof detail that is where the pipes come from and go to so I went to Didcot Railway Centre on Monday morning this week to have a look at the rael one.
Luckily for me it was in the works being overhauled with a ladder leaning against it and a word with one of the staff got us up it with a camera.
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Its how where the Gas lamp pipes run from, and they come up through the walls in the passenger entrance to the roof with a separate line running through the motor compartment for the front lamp.
Many Thanks to Didcot Railway Centre.

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Re: GWR Steam Railmotor Chassis

Postby David B » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:30 pm

I took these not long after the Railmotor first appeared at Didcot.

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Re: GWR Steam Railmotor Chassis

Postby Phil O » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:47 pm

Anyone got any idea as to what the oval hole in the roof is, just infront of chimney and is it also on the other side? I have not noticed it before in photos or drawings.

Phil.

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Re: GWR Steam Railmotor Chassis

Postby Phil O » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:51 pm

Having looked again at the photos, I think it might be for the safety valves and is only on one side. I hope that Jeremy is going to add that feature to the kit.

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Re: GWR Steam Railmotor Chassis

Postby Jeremy Suter » Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:03 pm

Post by Phil O » Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:47 pm
Anyone got any idea as to what the oval hole in the roof is, just in front of chimney and is it also on the other side? I have not noticed it before in photos or drawings.

Hi Phil
Yes you are write they are not on the published drawings the small hole in the Centre is for the whistle to go through and the whistle has another cover attached to it which is a bit larger than the hole and can be seen in one of David's Pictures. The large hole to the right is for the safety valve and yes I have incorporated them both in my roof etch still need to draw the lining for the safety valve hole or make a casting.
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So far the roof will be made of eight etched pieces. First one is a base with fold up ribs to roll parts two and three over, that is an inner half etch and an outer for strength with the rain strips etc. etched on and should slot into the base then solder up in the frame to keep straight. Then the boiler cover and the hatch with door. Not made the door sliding yet but will before it goes for etching. then I will solder the gutter onto the protruding edge and file flush. But this may all change after I have tried it out.

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Re: GWR Steam Railmotor Chassis

Postby Phil O » Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:09 pm

Jeremy,

I think that this kit will be a true Rolls Royce amongst kits with the level of accuracy and detail it has. It's also well thought out and should be relatively straightforward to build.

Phil.

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Re: GWR Steam Railmotor Chassis

Postby Jeremy Suter » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:56 pm

Thanks Phil for the comment I have been trying to get it right as far as I can. Its not going to be a beginners kit and a plenty experience in soldering will be needed.


Anyway I received today a large stack of production etches for the Diagram Q Footplate and the 8' fishbelly bogie so will spend the weekend making up Underframe Kits.
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I added a few parts to the footplate etch from the earlier one I did for my Railmotor as I had put them on the body etch but realized I would need them before the body is ready.
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Here on the Bogie etch I have added an extra parts etch for the Valve gear in case of any damage on any of the delicate parts while putting it together and a few screw link couplings always handy.
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The third production etch received is another project I have been working on. A Sprung Underframe for the latest Wizard 51L models wagon kit which is the LYR Goole End Door Coal Wagon with 12' wheelbase. Its time to update to sprung chassis for the kits in fact I have drawn underframes for the GCR 9'wheelbase 3 plank and the next one to come out the GCR 5 plank with a 9'6'' Wheelbase but have not test etched them yet.
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Re: GWR Steam Railmotor Chassis

Postby GWSGMember » Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:05 pm

looking forward to placing my order for two railmotor kits to finally complete the motor bogies.

Regards
Ken


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