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Royal Quay

Postby garethashenden » Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:09 pm

So I've got a name for the layout, but not a great deal else. I'm doing this for the MRC's layout challenge as well as the SGW, so it needs to be 4'x1'.

I haven't ever really cared for BR steam, but I rather like the wagons. So here's the idea. Port of London Authority c.1960. Lots of inlaid track and a large warehouse. Austerity 0-6-0Ts, Hudswell Clarke 0-6-0Ts, YE diesels all in royal blue.

I have a couple of thoughts on trackplans, but that's where I'd like people's input.
Option 1 - Standard Inglenook.
Option 2 - Inglenook with warehouse siding.
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Option 3 - Inglenook with warehouse siding and extra track.
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Open to thoughts and suggestions.

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Re: Royal Quay

Postby David Knight » Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:19 pm

All look interesting Gareth especially the extra track version. I do wonder how you will be able to work the warehouse siding without some sort of run around. Will you be using your fiddle yard as a traverser?

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Re: Royal Quay

Postby jim s-w » Fri May 01, 2015 12:36 am

If you like wagons how about a layout worked by ropes and traversers? Never seen a loco-less layout before but I'd imagine it would be fascinating.

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Re: Royal Quay

Postby steamraiser » Fri May 01, 2015 5:53 am

In your mind does the extra siding actually give you anything extra?

Your first plan gives you more room width ways for scenery / buildings in which to set your sidings.

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Re: Royal Quay

Postby garethashenden » Fri May 01, 2015 7:59 am

PLA seems to have had a "standard" track arrangement that was repeated several times down a row of warehouses. It's a back to back pair of crossovers.
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Long term I think this could be extended to include the other crossover to the right, but for now most of the warehouse track is scenic rather than operational.

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Re: Royal Quay

Postby Guy Rixon » Fri May 01, 2015 10:54 am

For an inglenook on a quay, how about a coal tip? The tip itself is at the end of the shortest road, the longest road is the fulls road and the middle-length one for the empties. A loco propels 5 wagons into the fulls road and shuffles them to the tip road and the empties road, ending up with four in the empties road and one coming off the tip. Wash, rinse, repeat.

The tip itself could be the simple type, where the vessels receiving the coal are always at a suitable height below track level (typically barges in a locked basin). Or it could be a hoist. Or, if you really want to go to town, have a bi-level system with wagons running off the hoist at a higher level.

Of course, you really need wagons with working end-doors for this...

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Re: Royal Quay

Postby steve howe » Fri May 01, 2015 1:41 pm

Nice schemes Gareth,

I think with the Option 3 four track version, the very short fourth siding might be a bit superfluous unless you run all four tracks off under a bridge and connect them to a traverser, thus enabling you to runround all the sidings. Although I realise this is outside the Brief!

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Re: Royal Quay

Postby garethashenden » Fri May 01, 2015 7:47 pm

Thanks for the thoughts so far guys. While this is a dock railway, then name is a combination of a couple of London docks, West India Quays and the Royal docks. PLA had a quite large internal railway system and quite a bit of it was away from the water.

I've had yet another iteration of the design.
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One question that has come up though. For 0-6-0s and 4 wheel wagons, will a 30" radius be ok?

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Re: Royal Quay

Postby Tim V » Sat May 02, 2015 11:10 am

garethashenden wrote:PLA seems to have had a "standard" track arrangement that was repeated several times down a row of warehouses. It's a back to back pair of crossovers.
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Long term I think this could be extended to include the other crossover to the right, but for now most of the warehouse track is scenic rather than operational.

Similar arrangement at Bristol City Docks.
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Re: Royal Quay

Postby Re6/6 » Sat May 02, 2015 11:37 am

Interesting Gareth.

Nothing looks better in my view than well modelled inset track, albeit in cobbles or concrete hand carved in grout, plaster, clay etc rather than the 'usual' Wills cobble sheet which cannot be curved to flow with the trackwork.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=brist ... B700%3B525

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Re: Royal Quay

Postby Tim V » Sat May 02, 2015 11:45 am

Seen here the other side of the docks from the BBC shot.

The Harbour is the other side of these warehouses.
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Re: Royal Quay

Postby garethashenden » Sat May 02, 2015 1:38 pm

Tim that's exactly the look I'm going for.

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Re: Royal Quay

Postby jim s-w » Sat May 02, 2015 3:23 pm



Toto I don't think we're in Stourbridge anymore!

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Re: Royal Quay

Postby grovenor-2685 » Sat May 02, 2015 3:55 pm

The PLA Royal Docks is a bit more complex than the diagram suggests :)
But you can find almost anything there.
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=18&lat=51.5078&lon=0.0248&layers=173
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Re: Royal Quay

Postby Terry Bendall » Sun May 03, 2015 8:16 am

A book that may be useful is London’s Dock Railways Part 1 – The Isle of Dogs and Tilbury by Dave Marden Kestral Books ISBN 978-1-905505-27-2 £15.95

Issue 2 of Finescale Railway Modelling Review has a very interesting article by Brian Harrap on how he has modelled the inset track on QUAI:87 which may be helpful.

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Re: Royal Quay

Postby Guy Rixon » Sun May 03, 2015 10:12 am

FWIW, I have a few photos of inlaid track at Bristol docks, taken in August 2013.

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These are in the preserved-railway part, so so I presume they are workable. The inset point-lever is a feature I haven't seen elsewhere.

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Re: Royal Quay

Postby garethashenden » Sun May 03, 2015 12:00 pm

Terry Bendall wrote:A book that may be useful is London’s Dock Railways Part 1 – The Isle of Dogs and Tilbury by Dave Marden Kestral Books ISBN 978-1-905505-27-2 £15.95

Issue 2 of Finescale Railway Modelling Review has a very interesting article by Brian Harrap on how he has modelled the inset track on QUAI:87 which may be helpful.

Terry Bendall

I have both volumes, they're very good. Those books along with Brian's article were the inspiration for the layout.


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