New Street progress

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Re: New Street progress

Postby jim s-w » Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:11 pm

Hi All

Not posted any trains on the layout type pics for a while so to redress the balance...

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47088 arrives light engine. This is a bachmann model featuring heljan bogie sideframes and tanks. I still need to correct the boiler port.

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47457 departs for the south - this one is a vi-trains model.

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50009 heads a line up of 3 more of her classmates. All of my 50's have been lowered and feature new windscreens, roof fans/grills and body side louvres.

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Jim

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Re: New Street progress

Postby jim s-w » Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:47 pm

Hi All

I have finished the 4 waiting rooms at the B end of the platforms.

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The benches are DC kits ones trimmed down a bit. I am not sure about the wheeled skips as I think they are too new but I would appreciate anyone who knows about this and can advise.

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I have also completed the ramps that were used to move Brute trollies around. These areas and the waiting rooms have swallowed up over 60 benches.

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Close up of one of the ramps. while the detail is based on pictures its kind of vague as once the roof is on it will be very hard to see (if at all). The backs of the nearside walls are blank except for the 2 lamps at the far end that you might be able to see (although probably not)

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Jim

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Re: New Street progress

Postby jim s-w » Sat Mar 31, 2012 3:57 pm

Hi All

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47459 arrives from the Derby direction. In reality this wont actually happen on the layout as (being a Lima model with Lima drive) this loco is destined to shuffle around light loco to and from my imaginary Saltley. I figured that theres no need for all locos to be high spec chassis and theres absolutely nothing wrong with the Lima pancake in this respect. Besides actually detailing up old stuff is far more entertaining than tipping new stuff out of a box.

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Jim

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Re: New Street progress

Postby John Donnelly » Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:01 pm

My first post having just rejoined the society.

Jim your model is absolutely inspirational - I'm planning on a small P4 layout representing a slightly imagined approach to Newcastle Central in the early 1980's and looking at the stuff you are doing is giving me loads of ideas.

Is your concrete spleepered track from the P4 Track Company?

John

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Re: New Street progress

Postby jim s-w » Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:24 am

Thanks John and welcome to the forum

The concrete track is exactoscale yes with peco rail

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Re: New Street progress

Postby jim s-w » Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:04 pm

Hi All

Sloshed some paint on my phone box - Its a fair bit bigger in the pic than it is in real life. Note the impression of business cards on the wall.

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Jim

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Re: New Street progress

Postby jim s-w » Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:13 pm

Hi All

On one of my (many) research trips I came across these

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A perfect little detail to place in a corner somewhere for people to not notice so a bit of a faff around with some microstrip and 0.4mm wire and I have made a copy.

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Needs lettering and weathering yet but actually 'made a copy' is a bit of a fib as I made 3 of them

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All 3 of them sit nicely on a 2 pence piece too!

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Jim

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Re: New Street progress

Postby Mark Tatlow » Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:04 pm

jim s-w wrote:Hi All
Note the impression of business cards on the wall.


What was the number on the one to the top left Jim, she sounds rather interesting.......................
Mark Tatlow

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Re: New Street progress

Postby jim s-w » Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:42 pm

021 something something something.

If she was 25 in 1987 she'd be 50 now! :?

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Re: New Street progress

Postby jim s-w » Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:40 pm

Hi All

I thought a quick explanation of how I weather stuff might be of interest (other methods are available). The subject is a Hornby 50 which has had the usual treatment I apply to my class 50 fleet. That being replace the wheels with P4 ones that are the right diameter. Lower it on its bogies, replace the toy like opening bodyside louvres and replace the windscreens and roof fans with those from Extreme etches.

Once all thats done on to the weathering, I use 3 basic techniques and the first is washes. Using a picture of the real loco as a guide I paint the side in odourless turps substitute and work in tiny amounts of paint (enamels) in a method similar to the wet in wet method used for water colours. Its important to keep your streaks vertical unless your prototype pictures show different.

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This loco was to be quite scruffy (for me anyway) and I was happy with how the washes came out so I left them there. Usually at this stage I wait 24 hours and then with clean thinners on a cotton bud, do my best to clean the loco (again keeping everything vertical). All I am really doing is replicating what happens in real life, Locos get dirty and are cleaned. The cotton bud cant get everywhere and you end up with build ups of dirt you cant get too, again much like the real thing.

When happy with all that and the loco is dry (best to leave it for a week or so) Its on to the next stage. Airbrushing. Again refer to a photo and check that your particular class doesn't have any weird effects but I usually treat this stage as pretty generic. Using mostly humbrol 110 first to airbrush on brake dust. Followed by a mix of metalcote gunmetal and 110 (with a touch of matt black) to pick out axle boxes and equipment in a sort of dirty grease colour. Finally a mix of Gunmetal and matt black is sprayed over the roof. Always try to think of the direction the dirt hits the real loco and try to copy it. Spraying the brake dust from about 45 degrees below the model. That brings me to the stage in the picture above.

This is OK on the underframe but its also a bit generic. Each class of loco has a characteristic way that the underframe gets dirty and to turn our model from a generic dirty to a model of the real loco we need a bit more work.

This brings me to the third stage, drybrushing. This stage is very subtle and you will think a lot of it vanishes. Again referring to pictures start with the gunmetal and dry brush the top edges of things like steps and springs. this will give you a really subtle glint to the underframe and help put back in a bit of depth that the airbrushing stage flattened out. Also look for places where oil builds up which on a 50 is the base of the axle boxes, parts of the compressor, the main tanks and the battery boxes. Dry brush these on with the gunmetal. Some build up is quite heavy and you can go over these with matt black to enhance them. By now the loco looks like this...

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...which is nearly there. The last stage is to add a bit more sheen for which i use the old formula Klear floor polish. You only need a few spots per loco where the oil is still wet, Don't overdo it. What you want is for all this work to disappear! You are looking for subtle glints and sparkles from certain angles that bring the model to life.

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You can see a few highlights in this picture, on the compressor and the top edges of the tank. Thats really all you need but it will probably have taken you longer to read this than to do the dry brushing stage anyway so its not like hours of work that will go unnoticed by most people.

Finally a picture that goes some way to explaining the need for reference to prototype pictures.

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My rendition of a gresley bogie under my class 304. I had no idea that the bogies get these dark streaks on the sides but they do and they are visible in pretty much all of the class 304 pictures I have. Its a characteristic I could have completely missed.

Hope people find this post useful.

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Jim

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Re: New Street progress

Postby jim s-w » Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:53 pm

Hi All

Sometimes modelling a large station can be a bit tedious. One such time is when you have to scratchbuild 8 sets of stairs! Having done the first one as a prototype I have spent today making the other 7 sets.

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Jim

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Re: New Street progress

Postby jim s-w » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:08 pm

Hi All

As well as the stairs I have also finished off the retaining wall that goes over the London end tunnel mouth. This has opened up some angles for pictures that I didnt have before.

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The newest trains on the layout will be my class 155's. These are modified Dapol models.

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A peak waits for its next move while a 150 arrives. The 150 is the Limited edition one from Trians4u fitted with etched window frames.

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A class 20 departs for Tysley with a failed class 120. The 120 is a Craftsmann conversion of a Lima 117 and the 20 is lima but fitted with Heljan Baby deltic sideframes (as recommended by my friend Shane)

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45012 arrives from the south.

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Jim

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Re: New Street progress

Postby Wizard of the Moor » Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:26 pm

Are you sure that you didn't put the wrong picture in the How Real Do Your Photo's Look thread, Jim?

Lovely stuff

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Re: New Street progress

Postby jim s-w » Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:56 am

Hi James

Thanks, which one would you have gone for out of interest?

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Re: New Street progress

Postby Wizard of the Moor » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:27 pm

Either the first or third in sequence, Jim.

Looking again, the platform surfaces in the othe two pics are a bit too uniform to blend into the scene.

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Re: New Street progress

Postby jim s-w » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:50 pm

They are based in piccies James (they don get the punishment a road does) but there's a lot of clutter to add yet. Also the track needs covering in oil and goo too!

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Re: New Street progress

Postby jim s-w » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:11 pm

Hi All

Another batch of waiting rooms done, ready for installation at the London end of the platforms.

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Jim

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Re: New Street progress

Postby jim s-w » Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:24 pm

Hi All

Been up to a spot of photoshoperry this evening. Starting with

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Tiger in the rain

The other day I found this picture

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by D210bob and reproduced here with permission and I thought I would copy it. I dont have 50050 so 009 is standing in and I cant get my camera as low down as the picture but I am quite pleased with how it came out.

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Jim

Its well worth checking out more of Robert's pictures here http://www.flickr.co...ith/6658185091/

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Re: New Street progress

Postby DougN » Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:28 am

Jim your bit of photo shoppery is very nice though and it might sound a bit strange but the reflections in the puddle need to be at an angle as the surface is horizontal... you might need to have a bit of a play to change it around.
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Re: New Street progress

Postby jim s-w » Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:56 am

Are you sure doug?

Shadows conform to th surface relections don't, see http://www.flickr.com/photos/mahmoedtaxman/3716762776/

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Re: New Street progress

Postby DougN » Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:18 am

Well I appologies Jim. though it is raining..... a bit too perfect may be... it was the only thing that jumped out at me. Appologies I certainly can't do that on Photoshop... I can't even start my photoshop elements!
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Re: New Street progress

Postby jim s-w » Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:35 am

Hi doug

No need to appologise, it was a good question. Thanks for asking it

Jim

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Re: New Street progress

Postby jim s-w » Sat May 05, 2012 7:27 pm

Hi All

As those of you who visit my website will know its been dormant for a very long time. The reason for this is I wanted to completely rebuild it and so I stopped adding anything. Well it took me a lot longer to get round to it than I hoped but I am pleased to say that the rebuild is now complete.

The URL is still www.p4newstreet.com


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Jim

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Re: New Street progress

Postby John Donnelly » Sat May 05, 2012 8:32 pm

Just had a quick nose around - looks good to me...

John

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Re: New Street progress

Postby jim s-w » Mon May 07, 2012 12:27 pm

Thanks John

Hi all

Comments got me pondering just how much traffic and what platforms are used. Below is the timetable from 1989 showing the activity in the station from 8am until 9am on a weekday. There are 89 moves in that hour.

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