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Re: Brettell Road

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:46 am
by Phil O
Jim

That brake van looks great, you certainly managed to get the old and decrepit look.

Phil

Re: Brettell Road

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:53 am
by Noel
Phil O wrote:That brake van looks great, you certainly managed to get the old and decrepit look.


Agreed. I particularly like the state of the lettering. However, the Midland was already withdrawing 10T vans before the grouping, in favour of 20T vans, and the LMS continued this process. They also changed the livery from 1936, so 1935 is the very latest date for its last repaint; it would probably have been earlier, as the van is unlikely to have lasted that long in LMS service. Later photographs of wagons and containers suggest that after a minimum of thirty years unpainted there would have been no visible evidence of paint at all, just bare wood and metal. The steel work would also be showing significant rusting.

Re: Brettell Road

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:28 pm
by jim s-w
Recent attention had been on a couple of older RTR efforts. Starting with...
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...a Lima CCT. Yes I know there's a Bachmann one now but the Lima one isn't all that bad given its age. It suffers from the sometimes common Lima trait of getting most of it about right but then blowing it on something obvious for no apparent reason. In this case the W-irons are just too far from where they should be.
This can be addressed with replacements from ABS (or at least it used to be!). New roof vents and underframe bits and bobs plus filing off the, freelance, window frames and we're about there.

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Next the old Hornby hand crane. This one uses rollers and a counterweight from Jon Hall. I've widened the jib and added extra details.

Re: Brettell Road

Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:33 pm
by jim s-w
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So to draw a line under the last post. The Lima CCT is finished off and ready for service.

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So is the crane. It rides very high as supplied so I ground the bearing slots down and removed a bit of material from under the axleboxes (its still a smidge to high). Seems strange that Hornby raised the ride height on all their models to accommodate their tension lock coupling. Why not just make that smaller instead?
The end shackles are from Roxey and the cables are the heavier e-z line. Transfers are from Cambridge Custom Transfers. The single plank wagon is just standing in at the moment.

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One of the issues with Brettell road is the height it sits at. The subject of layout height is a thorny one but I take the view that operator comfort trumps everything else. After all we will be working on the layout for a couple of days . Currently its a bit low which I've got round by asking show organisers to provide chairs. From a sitting position its just about the right height.
However I've been thinking of doing a more traditional style, separate roof and here it is mocked up. It's designed so that it all slots together and no screws or bolts will be required. It will still have a material roof to shield the ambient light but it should make the layout itself a little lighter too. The plan is for the original pelmet to be removed.

Re: Brettell Road

Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:47 pm
by Philip Hall
Jim, a great job on the old Hornby crane. The buffer height thing: I always understood that the reason they did it was to accommodate the front bogie on an engine when it went from dead level to 1:20 up abruptly at a rail joint, as the track would do in their pier system leading up to viaducts or the suspension bridge. I guess they did it on everything else so they would all match!

It still happens, and not just with Hornby. The Hornby Grange front buffers are too high, also the 8F and Black 5; so too the Bachmann City (although the buffers are a trifle too high, they have cut the bottom off the buffer beam as well. Ditto the Dukedog, but here the buffer beam is too shallow and the buffers the right height.

A lot of this malarkey is more noticeable when people like us dare to change the wheels and put the right size in. Although sometimes we have to bite the bullet and make them smaller than scale to keep the buffers about right. And then find that some of the dimensions have been monkeyed around with as well. Read Bachmann LBSCR Atlantic for some of this, but that one is not one of the worst...

Philip

Re: Brettell Road

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:14 am
by jim s-w
Thanks Phillip

I’ve been told similar elsewhere. Makes some sense when you think about it but kind of doesn’t at the same time! (Not the explanation but the original reasoning)

Cheers

Jim

Re: Brettell Road

Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:42 pm
by jim s-w
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Way back towards the start of this project I posted the above image. The little black tank wagon at the far end was a Peco wonderful wagon kit and avid follows of this little adventure might notice nothing has really been said of it since.

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It was pretty quickly joined with a companion and the pair have been lurking near my workbench ever since. Well now they are finally done and ready to go. Modifications to the original kit were to replace the w-irons with Bill Bedford ones. New ladders from Stenson models and new handbrakes from Ambis. I didn't really like the mounting rods as supplied so these were replaced with 0.6mm brass tube. The ends being flattened with pliers. The walkways came from my spares box.

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The crane has its runner from a Cambrian kit. Its a little freelance is based loosely on an image of a similar but steel wagon I found on Paul Bartletts site at Bescot. The steps are spares from a Bachmann class 25.

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Before i settled on the Cambrian route for the crane runner I found an image of a diagram 1/001 lowfit that caught my eye. Built by BR they had a LNER style body on an LMS style chassis. Bachmann do this RTR but the chassis is completely wrong so its been replaced with a Parkside one. The mineral is diagram 1/119 21 tonner from The Chivers kit. (Tim had some lying around when I last went over). This wagon would be very new in the Brettell road period. This is also the upper end of my build it rigid approach to wagon building. Any longer wheelbase than this and I tend to go for springing.

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Speaking of Tim we have been working on a curved version of his display shelves with a few design tweaks such as the more solid locking of the ends and little clear 'buffer stops' for the ends. The 4mm scale versions are ready to go, see Tims website https://www.timhorn.co.uk/new-products/

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Finally a co-bo on a parcels train for no other reason than why not?

Re: Brettell Road

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:53 pm
by Monty
Hi Jim,
I liked the look of those Peco tank wagons, you have done a lovely job on them. I have a couple of Bachmann (old mainline) similar tanks that I would like to improve. They have walkways but no ladders. You said you used Stenson Models ladders, are those the items they supply for the Bachmann PC018 tank wagon under reference SM43D?
Thanks.

Re: Brettell Road

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:21 pm
by jim s-w

Re: Brettell Road

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:32 pm
by Monty
Many thanks Jim.

Re: Brettell Road

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:04 pm
by jim s-w
This post can best be described as a taste of local flavour if not the full meal itself.

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Anyone familiar with railways in the Stourbridge area will be aware of the Parry People Movers that operate between Stourbridge Junction and Stourbridge Town. Little 4 wheeled railbuses that spend their days shuffling along the UK's shortest passenger branch line. The line itself is still jointed track meaning the ride is somewhat best described as lively! While famous now for these little vehicles Stourbridge didn't really embrace the railbus idea the first time around, The line begin operated by autotrains and GWR design railcars at the time railbuses were being tried elsewhere.

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However as Brettell Road is a loose interpretation I have gotten hold of a Heljan one as a nod to the little people movers. This was always going to be a nice to have rather than a need so having kept my eye on eBay for a cheap one, just on the off chance, this AC version popped up as a non runner with a dodgy motor for less than half the price the runners were going for.

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The motor was replaced with a small Mashima I already had. One of the drive shafts was bent out of shape too but as these little models are very heavy for their size I binned that and now its just powered on one axle. For what it needs to do that seems absolutely fine.

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I've fitted a Zimo MX634D decoder in the space in the roof linked to a TCS KA2 stay alive hidden behind the door and weathered it, The wheels are Branchlines 3ft using the original gears and bushes. You do need to grind a little bit of the chassis away to get them to fit. A couple of passengers and its good to go.

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Same idea - different generations!

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Another bit of local flavour. The yard crane at the real Brettell Lane was a bit of a chunky affair. In line with my upcoming demo at Scaleforum on making the most out of older models, I've come up with this representation using the Airfix dockside crane as a start point. The jib is scratchbuilt from plasticard. I've only seen a few distant pictures of the real thing so this is very much a loose interpretation.