East of Scotland Lives On

Lindsay G
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East of Scotland Lives On

Postby Lindsay G » Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:28 pm

It’s been a while since we last provided any news on what our group has been up to. Hopefully this is the first of what will be a more regular update. However, lack of reporting doesn’t mean lack of activity, quite the reverse.

Let’s start with group outings or meetings. These have suffered at the expense of exhibiting Burntisland 1883, or improving running and operation of the layout following the extensions to the initial phase. However, we have managed to look beyond the layout and now have a number of future meetings or outings planned that we’ll report on in due course.

A couple of months ago, we experienced the first of these outings with a visit to the Bo’ness and Kinneil railway. Most of the group are well used to Bo’ness, but this visit was beyond the normal visitor’s limits with tours of all the working sheds and signal box with explanations provided by the stalwarts who are bringing everything back to life or keeping it running.

In this age of Elf & Safety, we all had to wear the obligatory Hi Viz jackets, necessary to ensure that engine drivers could see us and thus avoid any damage to newly painted stock. However, colour separates the men from the boys, the visitors are in yellow, the guys that actually do something around the place upgraded to orange.
In the Signal Box. Half of the group smile nicely for the camera. Photo: Alasdair Taylor

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In the Diesel shed. The other half of the group aren’t so much camera shy, but far more intent on taking in as much as possible rather than grinning at the lens. Most impressive in this shed was the serious lifting gear to raise diesels skywards so that everything could be accessed for restoration. Photo : Simon Wall

After the visit, discussion over Split Pea soup and Syrup Sponge Pudding (not consumed simultaneously, even in Scotland) suggested that it was a few hours well spent and a real eye opener to what goes on behind the scenes to make presentable and workable what the public experience.

All a bit like a model railway layout really, which brings me nicely to Burntisland 1883. Much progress has been made since our last report with lots of tweaking to the layout and its operation, culminating in our showing at Scalefour North earlier this year where we all felt that it was the best that the layout ran and was operated (more or less) to a sequence devised by one long suffering member who finally saw his efforts put into practice.

However, not to let things rest at that, Burntisland 1883 moves forward again. In what ways?

Well, some of the signals have came in for some treatment inspired by an MRJ article and demonstration at Scalefour North (now there’s an endorsement to the impact of our Society’s shows). Yup, servos are now being installed around the layout, but not without some initial teething troubles. However, the servos probably overcome problems with the previous mechanism, which was compromised by heavy shifting as signals are removed and the layout dismantled and transported. The first public airing of the signals was at Hawick in late August where they worked admirably
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Two of the signals from Burntisland 1883 converted to servos, both held within the MSE carrier etch. The third signal to the left was built for the ferry yard extension and has now been converted. In the image, it still wears its previous operating mechanism that never actually became operational. Photo : Jim Summers

Hawick also witnessed the first outing of the layout’s new backscene. This has been recognised as a need since the layout was extended to include the west dock and ferry pier, but upgrade only started in the last few months. It is nowhere near complete as yet needing more paint and foliage added. However, even in its early state, it is clearly adding dimension and depth to the rear of the layout, and the layout should be even more recognisable to anyone familiar with the real Burntisland. The layout’s next showing at Wigan in December should see the backscene a lot nearer completion.
New backscene at Hawick looking westwards. Still needing a lot of work, but the new backscene is already enhancing the layout further. The altered line of the backscene has allowed the platform buildings and gasometer to be modelled, just visible to the left. Presently they are mock-ups until the real things are modelled. Photo : Ray Nolton

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New backscene at Hawick looking eastwards. The backscene is a lot less fussy at the east end where the cliffs give way to grassy slopes. Just NE of centre in the photo is the newly operational ferry yard signal giving the engine right to block back over the Lammerlaws junction and deposit the cattle wagons in a siding. Photo : Jim Summers

Amongst all this change, Jim Summers can’t resist building the odd engine or 2, and the Hawick show also saw No 89 Ladybank sitting quietly at the end of a siding – very quietly, as it has yet to undergo boiler inspection which it will probably have passed come Wigan.
No 89, Ladybank, fresh out of the paint shop, but not operational at Hawick. Wigan should see this little gem in action. Photo : Jim Summers

Well ‘ that’s it for the meantime. The next updates should be rather shorter!


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Andy W
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Re: East of Scotland Lives On

Postby Andy W » Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:24 pm

Super stuff chaps.

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Build a wall along the Herefordshire border and make them pay for it.

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Re: East of Scotland Lives On

Postby Terry Bendall » Sat Jul 26, 2014 7:18 am

Very good to hear about the group Lindsay. After the 2012 AGM some of those who attended stayed over to Sunday morning had a visit to the Bo’ness and Kinneil railway and very good it was too. Well worth a visit for anyone who is in the area.

Burntisland of course is also due at Scalefour SW so an opportunity for those in the SW to see the layout if you have not seen it before. There is so much of interest that it needs careful viewing. Jim's No. 89 bears an uncanny resemblence to one of Mr Stroudley's D1 tank locos with the main difference being the shape of the cab roof. Who pinched the drawing from Brighton Works? :)

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Re: East of Scotland Lives On

Postby Noel » Sat Jul 26, 2014 10:22 am

The connection is presumably Dugald Drummond, Terry, as he worked for Stroudley at both Lochgorm and Brighton before going to the NB.


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Re: East of Scotland Lives On

Postby Jim Summers » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:01 am

Dugald Drummond is indeed the connection, chaps.

He served under Stroudley before coming back to Scotland, and there is plenty evidence of that influence (the livery on No. 38 on Burntisland, for example).
In 1877 he built at Cowlairs six 0-4-2Ts based on Stroudley's "D" tanks. They had the same size of cylinders as the Brighton engines, but larger drivers and a longer wheelbase. They were not successful due to balancing problems, and in building the model I certainly felt it did not look right. They were rebuilt as 0-4-4Ts and looked a good deal better. My model shows it as running around 1879, and it lasted (rebuilt) until 1925. As ever with our locomotives, we are indebted to Dr Euan Cameron for comprehensive histories and detailed drawings.

The significance of no.89 "Ladybank" is that she is the engine which should have gone down with the Tay Bridge, but was a failure that night, and 4-4-0 No. 224 was used, and thus became known as "The DIver" (see the current Scalefour News for photo of the loco and dear old John Wall. Both locos are represented on the layout.

Incidentally, this thread began with us on a visit to the real thing. Our latest visit was a botanical one last month, exploring the pink shale bings of West Lothian. I suppose I could post a picture of us smelling the flowers, otherwise you wouldn't believe it.

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