Bristol Group visit Clutton
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Bristol Group visit Clutton
Clutton is up in my garage, so with no heating, it's pretty cold. A warming cup of tea/coffee went down well. Gerry's got the cup of cyanide! Paul Hutfield spotted something funny!
Ah something peculiar on the layout....
A Forest of Dean pannier
An escapee from Clinkerford, Paul is the new owner of that layout.
Ah something peculiar on the layout....
A Forest of Dean pannier
An escapee from Clinkerford, Paul is the new owner of that layout.
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More refugees from Clinkerford.
The long freight is going through, but Richard Lane is struggling with his new smart phone
Meanwhile one of the Clutton regulars passes on an Up train
And a down train passes over the bridge.
The long freight is going through, but Richard Lane is struggling with his new smart phone
Meanwhile one of the Clutton regulars passes on an Up train
And a down train passes over the bridge.
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Tim V wrote:Clutton is up in my garage, so with no heating, it's pretty cold.
Does your garage have any insulation Tim?
I'm admiring the space I have available in my uninsulated brick/breeze block built garage and wondering if it will be suitable for my layout?
Thanks
Steve
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Waterloo wrote:Tim V wrote:Clutton is up in my garage, so with no heating, it's pretty cold.
Does your garage have any insulation Tim?
I'm admiring the space I have available in my uninsulated brick/breeze block built garage and wondering if it will be suitable for my layout?
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Steve
One other thing to think about is the door...
I'm gradually refurbishing my garage (admittedly mostly for rebuilding motorbikes, not model railways) and one thing that I want that will make a big change is to fit an insulated roller shutter door.
The current up and over door is thin, draughty, and lets leaves and dust blow underneath it. I think that changing it to one that fits snugly to the floor will make a big improvement by reducing the dust and dirt over everything.
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Some roof and window insulation would also help to retain the warmer air generated by those present.
Gordon A (Who forgot to wear a coat!)
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On cold environments. I've recently brought my diorama 'back in from the cold' from the shed after months there in the depths of winter. I enclose (I hope, not really confident of this) a pic shewing the warping that took place. I did cover the diorama with a serendipitously exact size packing box.
The papier mache has shrunk away from the edge and the paper Braithwaite panels have come unstuck but nothing else seems untoward. The diorama is about to be expanded to a 'layout'. I'll have to compromise on the visible length (should be three metres but will now be just over two) and of course will need at least two metres fiddle either side. I plan not to produce those unless I decide to exhibit, so there is no need for my engines to be made to move. The trains will just pose on the layout. This is just as well as I can't get my engines to move faultlessly and so avoiding that expense will be a welcome bonus. If I need to motor them, I will just beg someone with the skills of Philip Hall to do the necessary.
I do admire the Bristol group for making actual real models instead of fictitious stuff (Clutton, Maiden Newton, Highbridge, Rolvenden) - brilliant. I hope to join them one day.
The papier mache has shrunk away from the edge and the paper Braithwaite panels have come unstuck but nothing else seems untoward. The diorama is about to be expanded to a 'layout'. I'll have to compromise on the visible length (should be three metres but will now be just over two) and of course will need at least two metres fiddle either side. I plan not to produce those unless I decide to exhibit, so there is no need for my engines to be made to move. The trains will just pose on the layout. This is just as well as I can't get my engines to move faultlessly and so avoiding that expense will be a welcome bonus. If I need to motor them, I will just beg someone with the skills of Philip Hall to do the necessary.
I do admire the Bristol group for making actual real models instead of fictitious stuff (Clutton, Maiden Newton, Highbridge, Rolvenden) - brilliant. I hope to join them one day.
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There are some nice photos there Tim - I especially like the shot of the 45xx on a Down train crossing the road bridge. From the backscene though it looks like there are storm clouds gathering over Bristol!
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By the way, I'm sorry if I hijacked Tim's thread but I thought the subject of cold environments might be interesting. I didn't keep any stock out in the shed and would be interested to hear Tim's experience in this regard. Do you just don your overcoat, go out there and do they all start up first time, no probs?
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The garage is built of brick and is not insulated. It also leaks! There is a dehumidifier in there. The layout normally lives in the roof space of the garage, under a tarpaulin to keep the dust off, being brought down a couple of times a year for running.
It's a thin metal door, no insulation again, but there is very little gap around it. I have done some work on draught proofing the door.
I have thought of re-roofing the garage to include insulation, but the cost would be a lot. The garage is 27' x 17'.
It's a thin metal door, no insulation again, but there is very little gap around it. I have done some work on draught proofing the door.
I have thought of re-roofing the garage to include insulation, but the cost would be a lot. The garage is 27' x 17'.
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Tim V wrote:
I have thought of re-roofing the garage to include insulation, but the cost would be a lot. The garage is 27' x 17'.
ISTR it is a pitched house-type roof so how about blocks of foam in between rafters....a 5 minute group project ?
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And my Q about how the working bits perform Tim, (also thanks for info)?
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HowardGWR wrote:And my Q about how the working bits perform Tim, (also thanks for info)?
Sorry, the layout normally lives in the roofspace of the garage and gets brought down for use. The dehumidifier is up in the roof with it. The track needs a normal clean with my usual methods (cotton bud soaked in Slaters track cleaning fluid) before any trains were run. Engines/rolling stock is kept in the house.
The layout has not been used/put up since Scaleforum.
Insulation is not the problem with the garage, it's the poor condition of the roof. Also the concrete floor soaks up energy from my feet - I'm going to get some fatigue mats for the floor tomorrow!
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I'm pleased to say the fatigue mats have made a huge difference, I can still walk now!
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It's a wonder you Brissle boys have time for any modelling with all the visiting you do!
I'm just jealous - especially as I still miss the place 30 years after I left.
I'm just jealous - especially as I still miss the place 30 years after I left.
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Ealing,
Visiting good curry houses, real ale pubs and supping single malt is also high on our list of things to do, and the occasional bear festival!
Gordon A
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Visiting good curry houses, real ale pubs and supping single malt is also high on our list of things to do, and the occasional bear festival!
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I would point out that Tuesday is our regular meeting night, and that tomorrow we will be at Gordon's - eyeing up the completed test track.
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steamraiser wrote: supping single malt is also high on our list of things to do,
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I seem to have missed that bit, soooooooooo..tomorrow ?
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"and the occasional bear festival" - is there still baiting in Bedminster?
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Just seen this thread - nice photos, Tim. The trees on the Up (?) platform embankment really look good.
How did you do the riveting on the pannier tank sides, by the way?
How did you do the riveting on the pannier tank sides, by the way?
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Captain Kernow wrote:How did you do the riveting on the pannier tank sides, by the way?
They're not rivets: they're Bachmann's overdone weld seams on the tank.
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In fact that is 8744, a riveted pannier. I did it using 5thou plasticard, with the rivets rolled in using a gear wheel, crude I know! I had to remove the top feed pipework from the Bachman model, afterwards putting it back, and constructing new.
The weld lines on the Bachman model are quite crude, and can be completely removed, for smooth sided tanks.
The weld lines on the Bachman model are quite crude, and can be completely removed, for smooth sided tanks.
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Whoops! My apologies, Tim.
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If you want to represent a riveted tank (as on earlier pannier tanks), you can now use the Archer's rivet decals. Not cheap, but much quicker and easier than styrrne sheet overlays, etc. (having first done something about the weld seams first, of course).
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martin goodall wrote:If you want to represent a riveted tank (as on earlier pannier tanks), you can now use the Archer's rivet decals. Not cheap, but much quicker and easier than styrrne sheet overlays, etc. (having first done something about the weld seams first, of course).
Interesting, Martin. Is there any visible film from the transfers when used on the loco? I've used Archers rivets on a girder bridge, where the carrier film is 'disguised' by the proximity of the webbing.
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