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Jol Wilkinson
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Re: RTR P4

Postby Jol Wilkinson » Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:17 pm

Tor Giffard wrote:....£203 for a DC version with P4 wheelsets inc. postage Mike....you won't be disappointed.

Dave


Dave,

yes I would, I couldn't realistically run it on an Edwardian LNWR layout.

And which of those wheels pictured is the more accurate?

Jol

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Re: RTR P4

Postby MikeH » Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:23 pm

Tor Giffard wrote:....£203 for a DC version with P4 wheelsets inc. postage Mike....you won't be disappointed.

Dave


Cheers Dave, Do they do a DCC version? I best get cracking with my inglenook layout I guess!

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Re: RTR P4

Postby Tor Giffard » Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:26 pm

In reply to Jol

....tyre thicknesses obviously reduced with wear Jol. Personally, I'm much more convinced by the SLW version. Looking at a variety of images of 24s on the Derby Sulzers site I can't see any thick enough to match the Ultrascale tyre rim thickness.

In answer to Mike....the £203 price is for P4 wheelsets fitted from mid December...DCC is available but you'd need to look at the price list below

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Re: RTR P4

Postby MikeH » Sat Dec 05, 2015 6:02 pm

Tor Giffard wrote:In reply to Jol

....tyre thicknesses obviously reduced with wear Jol. Personally, I'm much more convinced by the SLW version. Looking at a variety of images of 24s on the Derby Sulzers site I can't see any thick enough to match the Ultrascale tyre rim thickness.

In answer to Mike....the £203 price is for P4 wheelsets fitted...DCC is available but you'd need to look at the price list below

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Dave


Thanks, wow that costing soon adds up

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Re: RTR P4

Postby jim s-w » Sun Dec 06, 2015 11:00 am

Tor Giffard wrote:
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Dave


Thanks for that Dave. It's something I was wondering. The model represents D5000 in later life not as built due to the extra bodyside grill at the number 2 end. The first few didn't have this when built but some got it later.

See - http://www.derbysulzers.com/5000new.jpg

I think that d5000 got hers when she went to the southern, she also picked up extra headcode brackets I believe. You can see them in this picture

http://www.rail-online.co.uk/img/s/v-3/p262523854-3.jpg

Do you know if SLW are doing both types of sandbox? Those got switched arround too and some locos ended up with different ones at each end. It would be nice if those were available as a spare part.

Cheers

Jim

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Re: RTR P4

Postby jim s-w » Sun Dec 06, 2015 11:24 am

MikeH wrote:
Thanks, wow that costing soon adds up


Well yes. But if you want all those things anyway it would still cost and you would have the faff of fitting it all. Any idea what a hall sensor actually is?

Cheers

Jim

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Re: RTR P4

Postby grovenor-2685 » Sun Dec 06, 2015 11:31 am

jim s-w wrote:
Any idea what a hall sensor actually is?

Cheers

Jim

A Hall Sensor is a small electronic component that responds to a magnetic field, in this case to detect small magnets buried in the ballast and initiate a response from the sound chip, eg flange squeal or horn.
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Re: RTR P4

Postby Tor Giffard » Sun Dec 06, 2015 2:30 pm

jim s-w wrote:
Tor Giffard wrote:
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Dave


Thanks for that Dave. It's something I was wondering. The model represents D5000 in later life not as built due to the extra bodyside grill at the number 2 end. The first few didn't have this when built but some got it later.

See - http://www.derbysulzers.com/5000new.jpg

I think that d5000 got hers when she went to the southern, she also picked up extra headcode brackets I believe. You can see them in this picture

http://www.rail-online.co.uk/img/s/v-3/p262523854-3.jpg

Do you know if SLW are doing both types of sandbox? Those got switched arround too and some locos ended up with different ones at each end. It would be nice if those were available as a spare part.

Cheers

Jim


Mornin' Jim,

I'm light on knowledge for the allocation history/date of mods etc for D5000 so can't answer your queries. Similar with the sandboxes but I'll pass on any information that comes to light on same.

Dave

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Re: RTR P4

Postby jim s-w » Sun Dec 06, 2015 2:31 pm

That would be great. Thanks

Jim

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Re: RTR P4

Postby Rod Cameron » Mon Dec 07, 2015 8:59 pm

Anyone know of a way to do Athermos axleboxes on 24s? I'd thought of cutting something on the Silhouette if I had a decent sketch.
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Re: RTR P4

Postby grovenor-2685 » Mon Dec 07, 2015 9:08 pm

Rod Cameron wrote:Anyone know of a way to do Athermos axleboxes on 24s? I'd thought of cutting something on the Silhouette if I had a decent sketch.

The correct Athermos box is one of the features of these new models so you don't need to make your own. Image
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Re: RTR P4

Postby Tor Giffard » Sun Dec 13, 2015 2:30 pm

Aft'noon all,

The RMWeb thread on the SLW 24 has now been viewed around 35,000 times, received over 500 replies and extends over 21 pages. More and more readers are becoming aware of the numerous detail differences within even the hundred plus disc headcode fitted examples.

It isn't easy to find 2 identical disc headcode 24s so If you want a topical Christmas challenge then how about trying to find a matching pair from historic images of the prototype. Close up images of all debatable areas will need to be linked/referenced.

Detail differences include: axlebox type, boiler water tank fitted/unfitted, modified size of underslung tank arrangement (SR based examples), livery, radiator grille type, 2nd compressor/cab front air pipe, brackets on the cab front, roof blanking plates, miniature snow ploughs fitted (2 or 3 parts...middle missing on some), sandbox type, footstep blanking plates, loco number position, D prefix, cab front doors, cab front damage above coupling hook, boiler compartment grille covers and colour, OHLE flashes, additional bodyside grille, loco numbers on each corner of the body, yellow warning panel size & shape inc. whether it extends around the buffer shanks etc, BR double arrow position, quantity and size etc

Here is an example....pre TOPS number on BR blue, later style numerals with miniature snow ploughs from a currently unknown photographer. Try finding a second image of this arrangement, let alone a second similarly attired loco....
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Re: RTR P4

Postby jim s-w » Sun Dec 13, 2015 2:54 pm

I'm still trying to find a picture of D5000 that matches the model. :) I can't even find one that has the numbers that high up!

You missed lower valances and the small grill above the cab doors (which incidentally the real 24081 didn't have but the model does!) also there's variation in the boiler steps blanking plates.

Cheers

Jim
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Re: RTR P4

Postby Tor Giffard » Sun Dec 13, 2015 3:07 pm

....cheers JIm, number position is another variable e.g. Scottish locos with bodyside number.

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Re: RTR P4

Postby jim s-w » Sun Dec 13, 2015 3:12 pm

Indeed it is. D5000 had the numbers low down so the bottom of the number lines up with the bottom of the radiator grill. The model has them higher up like a normal green 24. It's no hassle to renumber D5000 with the numbers in the right place but moving the works plate down too might be a bit of a faff. It would all depend on if the works plate comes off without scarring the bodywork I suppose.

This image shows the difference, http://www.derbysulzers.com/5000shrew.jpg

HTH

Jim

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Re: RTR P4

Postby Tor Giffard » Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:24 am

Mornin' all,

For me the body profile of the new SLW model is the single biggest advance towards a P4 standard RTR loco.

Modern Locomotives Illustrated No 177 Class 24 & 25 contains all necessary images/diagrams for comparison purposes

Compare the SLW roof/beading line over the cab front windows/roof outline/window shapes and sizes to the most recent Bachmann version on the right. The proportions of the Bachmann cab front are thrown out by the incorrect height of bodyside. The unsightly joint between body and chassis is missing on the SLW variant....
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The SLW upper cab front angle is accurate, the other is not....
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There is no mistaking the fidelity of the SLW model around the battery boxes/underslung tank/bodyside grille area...
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Re: RTR P4

Postby MikeH » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:30 pm

Well I have just ordered a D5000 variant. Got through first time no issues :)

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Re: RTR P4

Postby John Donnelly » Fri Dec 18, 2015 7:49 pm

Tor Giffard wrote:....£203 for a DC version with P4 wheelsets inc. postage Mike....you won't be disappointed.


Now, don't get me wrong, as and when the Tyne Dock version comes along, I will be buying a few of these but a friend of mine has just received 24081 and has posted some photos on Flickr, and, if I'm honest, I'm really disappointed with the paint finish on the noses:

Amongst other things, the yellow paint is very thin in a number of places, there appear to be sanding marks below one of the handrails at one end and there are at least three hairs trapped in the paint...

I appreciate that this could be a one off but if I'd paid £200+ for this particular example, I'd be sending it back...

John

Sorry but I've had to edit the thread to remove images as the owner of the loco wasn't happy with me linking to them.
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Re: RTR P4

Postby Tor Giffard » Fri Dec 18, 2015 7:57 pm

....if my model arrived like that then so would I.

I would be interested in knowing the outcome of that situation John.

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Re: RTR P4

Postby jim s-w » Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:30 am

I thought this would have been mentioned here by now but as it hasn't I'll just mention that it does seem SLW do respond to feedback as a much finer and closer to scale radiator grill was reported to have been on display at the recent York show.

Cheers

Jim

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Re: RTR P4

Postby Tor Giffard » Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:12 pm

Aft'noon all,

Sulzer type 2 fans in the South East should have an opportunity to see some SLW 24s in action on 'Mostyn' at the 2016 Chatham exhibition in June.

I understand that SLW will have a stand there too.

We look forward to seeing you there.

Dave

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Re: RTR P4

Postby ChrisMitchell » Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:48 pm

And hopefully there will be a couple running at S4N in Wakefield. SLW will also be there on Saturday

Chris


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