Gresley Open Brake Third

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Gresley Open Brake Third

Postby John Donnelly » Wed Dec 30, 2020 2:46 pm

I'm about to start on a build of a Gresley Open Brake Third using a Cooper Craft (ex Ian Kirk?) kit although, as I model the 70s/80s, I'll be converting it in to it's departmental use as part of the British Rail Weedkiller train as in the photo below:

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I'd like to spring the bogies (Gresley 8'6") and wonder what the options are. I know Rumney Models do a kit but are there any other alternatives?

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Re: Gresley Open Brake Third

Postby davebradwell » Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:59 pm

Well, the end profile is wrong, the roof ends are the wrong shape, the upper panelling is too deep and the sides are too thick but Chris Pendlenton made a very nice job of 2 of them.

I just happen to have a brand new version of the sprung bogie ready to go.

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Re: Gresley Open Brake Third

Postby John Donnelly » Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:49 pm

Thanks Dave,

A good look at the kit today has revealed it's limitations but I'm not aware of an alternative...

As for the bogies, what's the best way to order from you as I suspect it'll be quite some time before I can catch you at a show.

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Re: Gresley Open Brake Third

Postby Horsetan » Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:50 pm

davebradwell wrote:....I just happen to have a brand new version of the sprung bogie ready to go.


I'm all ears.
That would be an ecumenical matter.

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Re: Gresley Open Brake Third

Postby John Donnelly » Wed Dec 30, 2020 10:58 pm

Just remembered your details are here: https://traders.scalefour.org/DaveBradwell/ in which case, all I need to know is the price...

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Re: Gresley Open Brake Third

Postby davebradwell » Thu Dec 31, 2020 11:40 am

That was a bit quicker than I expected - typed before I thought but it shouldn't take me long to get some straight piano wire for the secondary springs to save you straightening the thick coiled stuff I have.

You can make a huge difference to these coaches by filling in the top panels with pieces of Plastikard (it might be .010" but check) and re-profiling the roof ends by sticking on strips and filing back to a template - I've done it with a Hornby. I'll try and attach a drg of the proper shape - Isinglas is wrong here. I'm assuming you're modelling an LNER vehicle and not a pre-group with taller roof ellipse.

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Re: Gresley Open Brake Third

Postby davebradwell » Thu Dec 31, 2020 11:49 am

Plea to moderator - I don't think we should display this drawing but I can't find a way to just attach it, although I'm sure I've done it before.

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Re: Gresley Open Brake Third

Postby grovenor-2685 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:50 pm

I doubt anyone will be concerned that it displays rather than is attached, You are distributing a copy either way, and the LNER are long gone.
But if you really want to attach a .jpg file without it displaying then hide it in a .zip.
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Re: Gresley Open Brake Third

Postby Steve Carter » Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:00 pm

I don't know if the MJT LNER components (sides, ends, roofs etc) help?
https://www.dartcastings.co.uk/mjt.php# ... ents-Sides
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Re: Gresley Open Brake Third

Postby John Donnelly » Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:37 pm

Thanks to all who replied and to Mike Trice who emailed me. I've decided that I'm going to build this kit as it stands for practice. Shockingly, I've never built a coach before although, in fairness, I'm modelling a freight only line.

As and when lockdowns end and finances are more plentiful, I'll put together all the parts to do this properly.

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Re: Gresley Open Brake Third

Postby Daddyman » Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:43 pm

Do you need other photos of this carriage? I have a feeling a friend designed the weedkilling equipment and the adaptations for this coach from a revenue-earning vehicle. He certainly designed the Gresley suburban they used before this one. I've asked him to confirm it was his work, and if he has other photos.

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Re: Gresley Open Brake Third

Postby John Donnelly » Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:23 pm

Daddyman wrote:Do you need other photos of this carriage?


Yes please, that would be great.

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Re: Gresley Open Brake Third

Postby Daddyman » Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:01 am

Usually takes a few days for an answer from him.

In the meantime, you're aware of this?
https://rcts.org.uk/carriage-conundrums ... ing-train/

The page actually contains some of Mike's photos (the friend in question).

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Re: Gresley Open Brake Third

Postby John Donnelly » Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:47 am

Daddyman wrote:Usually takes a few days for an answer from him.

In the meantime, you're aware of this?
https://rcts.org.uk/carriage-conundrums ... ing-train/

The page actually contains some of Mike's photos (the friend in question).


Yes, thanks, I found that page at the weekend.

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Re: Gresley Open Brake Third

Postby Daddyman » Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:59 am

The train seems to be popular at the moment, John: there's a thread on RMWeb too:
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index ... 1950s-60s/

It mentions the Paul Bartlett site, which you may already have come across, but which I'd overlooked:
https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/weedkillerbr

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Re: Gresley Open Brake Third

Postby John Donnelly » Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:35 am

Daddyman wrote:The train seems to be popular at the moment, John: there's a thread on RMWeb too:
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index ... 1950s-60s/

It mentions the Paul Bartlett site, which you may already have come across, but which I'd overlooked:
https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/weedkillerbr


Thanks again, I had got the photos from Pauls website.

As it happens, Mick has been a treasure trove of information and he sent me some fantastic photos of the interior of the coach last night :thumb

I think I'm going to do the existing kit as a 'layout coach' representation then, in time, do a full detail version...


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