UNKNOWN WAGON

Sapper
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UNKNOWN WAGON

Postby Sapper » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:47 am

Could any members identify the wagon shown in the attached pictures. It is one of those which has been lying around for years and I thought it was about time it was finished, however, any instructions there were have disappeared and I do not know which type it is supposed to represent. I think it is an old D & S model and it was supplied with 3 bolt buffers, sadly I can now only find 3!

Any assistance would be greatly received.

Many thanks

Sapper






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Re: UNKNOWN WAGON

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jon price
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Re: UNKNOWN WAGON

Postby jon price » Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:43 pm

Looks like an LNWR D4 36" side open goods, or a D9 36" side open goods, or a D10 42" side open goods (all 16' by 7'8 outside length), doesn't look long enough to be a D84 (18' outside length).
the buffer is a 12" as fitted to three link coupled wagons from 1890 (the 13" was for screw coupled wagons)
The difference between the D4 and the D9 is the carrying capacity. D4 6 tons, D9 10 tons. From sometime after 1903 period D4s began to be upgraded to D9s. 15,000 D4s were built 1893 to 1903, 9,000 D9s 1884 to 1907. 88 D10s were built 1901-1903, mostly for sand traffic around St Helens, a few for the West Cumberland District
Wagons built before 1889 had single brake shoes, afterwards double brake shoes, but still single sided. D9s were double sided from the start
You don't show the axleboxes, but the round bottomed grease axleboxes would be replaced on new wagons with the square oil boxes from around ?1904? with D4 conversions getting them as well.

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Re: UNKNOWN WAGON

Postby Sapper » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:42 pm

Gentlemen
Thank you for your quick replies and answering my question - I will now start to finish it now I know what it is!

Regards

Sapper

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Re: UNKNOWN WAGON

Postby Guy Rixon » Sat Nov 12, 2016 6:49 pm

If you lack axleboxes, you can get prints from Coastline models via Shapeways (https://www.shapeways.com/product/FJP4W6BWN/lnwr-no2-grease-axle-box-for-10-ton-wagons). Those prints are technically No.2 pattern grease boxes for 10-ton wagons (e.g. D9), but the grease boxes for 7-ton wagons (e.g. D4) are visually identical in 4mm scale. I don't know where you'd get the early-pattern oil boxes.

For replacement buffers, you have a choice of three suppliers for Emmett-period, 3-bolt buffers with springing:
- MRD (http://www.emardee.org.uk/epages/BT4589.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/BT4589/Products/40155);
- Alan Gibson (http://www.alangibsonworkshop.com/Catalogue.pdf);
- me, via Shapeways (https://www.shapeways.com/search?q=LNWR+buffer&type=).

There were (at least) four different versions of these buffers with different lengths in the guides, depending on the overall length from headstock to buffing face and the support required for the ram (higher-load wagons typically had longer guides for better support). You would need the 10" guides for D4 and, typically, the 12" for D9. I sell both of these types explicitly; I don't know the length of the MRD and AGW parts. I think you can also get unsprung castings for these buffers from ABS.

EDIT: please discount the reference to Emmett buffers from AGW: they actually sell a later, Earl-period, kind of LNWR buffer, with supporting ribs.

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Re: UNKNOWN WAGON

Postby essdee » Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:08 pm

I think I have one of these in my wagon stash built in the 1980s - Model Wagon Company, by Iain MIddleditch?

Steve

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Re: UNKNOWN WAGON

Postby jon price » Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:32 pm

Excellent stuff Mr Rixon. You can get the early grease boxes if you buy Ratio wagon chassis, but it is an expensive way to do it.

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Re: UNKNOWN WAGON

Postby jim s-w » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:47 pm

I might have some as I've used the ratio chassis but not the axleboxes. If you need them let me know and I'll see if I can find them.

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Re: UNKNOWN WAGON

Postby Phil O » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:39 am

jon price wrote:Excellent stuff Mr Rixon. You can get the early grease boxes if you buy Ratio wagon chassis, but it is an expensive way to do it.


When I wanted some LNWR grease boxes, I went in to Ratio and just got the relevant sprues from them. Ratio are at Mardle Way, Buckfastliegh.

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Re: UNKNOWN WAGON

Postby Sapper » Thu Nov 17, 2016 3:29 pm

To all those who added additional notes for my now known wagon thank you very much, especially for details of where to acquire the necessary extras, axle boxes and buffers.

Regards

Sapper


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