High Level chassis kit for Class 03/04

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Re: High Level chassis kit for Class 03/04

Postby David Knight » Mon May 28, 2012 1:36 pm

Knuckles,

Add my name to the chorus suggesting moderation. As you seem to be a steam type of guy might I suggest you have a look at this thread, viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1037 which details another conversion, a J72, that will give you a fully CSBed frame with minimal grief before you plunge into the murky waters of a full kit build?

Cheers,

David

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Re: High Level chassis kit for Class 03/04

Postby Knuckles » Mon May 28, 2012 4:49 pm

Thanks for the replies, guys, seems I accidently hijacked the thread somewhat.

I'll try to respond to most of what you have collectively replied with.

I have a bachmann Pannier tank and was thinking of getting Ultrascale drop in wheels for that perticular loco rather than a new chassis build.

Am also thinking of getting a Heljan CoBo Class 28 and also some Ultrascale drop in wheels sets. I think those two may be easyish conversions.

Re Templot; I too have trouble finding the time to give it a session becasue my head hurts and thinking about it hurts my head too! So I have to be in the right frame of mind to consider loading it up - not a good motivator to be honest! I will check out those links though, I do want to learn it becasue I can see how good it will be once cracked and I also need to transfer my 00 plans I made on Anyrail to P4 on Templot to get a better ide aof what will or won't fit in my given space.

I've also been thinking of using BrassMasters Easi Chass for the pacific conversions but like anything it's a lot of money to make a pigs ear of it, yet, I think I'll have more chance than building a full complex 4-6-2 chassis from a flat etch, valve gear et al. The other reason I'd like to do that one is because it's the biggest type of loco I plan to run so I could get a better idea of cornering limits using it, again if you remember before I said a fair amount of my corners are off scene so it's more a case of performance than visual importance.

I'm not a Sodor only modeller, I know it's seen as babyish but my vision is far removed from what most see or expect regarding it.

I'm a steam fan probably 65% and Diesels the rest.

So many options isn't there!?

Been thinking of this for a while - http://www.caleycoaches.co.uk/class812.php

but to keep with the thread subject, I do want to build an 04 Drewer Diesel at some point.
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Re: High Level chassis kit for Class 03/04

Postby Will L » Mon May 28, 2012 7:44 pm

Knuckles wrote:...I've also been thinking of using BrassMasters Easi Chass for the pacific conversions but like anything it's a lot of money to make a pigs ear of it, yet, I think I'll have more chance than building a full complex 4-6-2 chassis from a flat etch, valve gear et al. ...


I don't think that a significant risk for you Knuckles, you've already displayed the persistence and determination to keep at it until you get it right that is the real secret of a successful modeller.

Will

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Re: High Level chassis kit for Class 03/04

Postby Mark Tatlow » Mon May 28, 2012 10:02 pm

Knuckles wrote:Been thinking of this for a while - http://www.caleycoaches.co.uk/class812.php
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An 0 - 6 - 0 with inside cylinders, will be at the more sensible end of the spectrum of builds.

I am not sure what the Caley Coaches 812 class kit is like but Davknigh is doing one in the great 3F build off. Jim Summers also have a very fine finished model I am aware.............

Make sure you get this: http://www.billhudsontransportbooks.co. ... 8&pid=2544

There are loads and loads of pictures of the loco in varying states of dismemberment when it was being restored. Fabulous for a modeller wondering where each bit goes.
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Re: High Level chassis kit for Class 03/04

Postby Knuckles » Tue May 29, 2012 6:16 pm

Thanks guys, I'll take a look.

To you though Mark, I completed reading the Breakdown Crane book last night! Very very good to say the least. Was also supprised to hear of the close call your Dad had with that oxygen bottle! (If I read that correctly)

I've sent Coment Models an email for details on their Royal Scot Chassis kit. It's another option that I might try, albeit slightly complex, however If it's suitable and I manage it then we have a P4 Fury on our hands. Then again, I might just go for an 0-6-0 first, we'll see.
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Re: High Level chassis kit for Class 03/04

Postby Horsetan » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:32 pm

Knuckles wrote:..... seems I accidently hijacked the thread somewhat.....


That's alright. We do it all the time! :D

I do want to build an 04 Drewry Diesel at some point.


Will you be fitting false eyelashes to the front to represent "Mavis" :?: ;)
That would be an ecumenical matter.

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Re: High Level chassis kit for Class 03/04

Postby John McAleely » Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:20 pm

Right, back to a Class 03/04. I've been minded to get this model to some sort of finished state. So today I spent some time figuring out how to fit Kadee couplings. The loco won't be much use if it can't couple to anything :-)

So, some mental gymnastics later, a small slot has been cut at each end, just big enough for a number 39 Kadee pocket. I've not quite figured out how to jigsaw it all together yet (insert comment here about planning in advance of building things), but I'm sure it will work out.

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Looking at the prototype photos I have, it seems this (old) Bachmann body lacks a distinctive 'hump' on top of the bonnet before the cab. So far, I've not turned up a subset of locos the body is accurate for. Is there a group of locos this body is an accurate (ish) representation of?

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Re: High Level chassis kit for Class 03/04

Postby grovenor-2685 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:27 pm

Locos with a hump are class 03, those without are class 04, so far as i remember.
I also have one of these I keep looking at.
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Re: High Level chassis kit for Class 03/04

Postby John McAleely » Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:47 pm

Thanks Keith. That seems to be confirmed by some googling.

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Re: High Level chassis kit for Class 03/04

Postby John McAleely » Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:41 pm

Part of my cunning plan here is to pilot all the techniques I'll need on Tornado. So today I thought I'd try stripping off the green paint, in prep for a respray to Blue.

Using Phoenix Paints stripper (recommended for use on plastic bodies in several places) I found that the paint came away easily. I then started scrubbing with a toothbrush to remove some of the more stubborn bits.

It was then I discovered that the plastic had softened, and I was scoring into the body with brushmarks. I recall having this problem in ancient times when I stripped another plastic kit - the stripper (a different one then) takes the plastic into a slightly gooey state that needs handling with care (but will be fine with time after a rinse).

Is this typical, or have I lucked out (perhaps unfortunately) with this chemical and body combo?

And there is still some paint adhered to the body. Any tips for removal?

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Re: High Level chassis kit for Class 03/04

Postby Wizard of the Moor » Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:03 pm

Soaking in Dettol, the classic brown variety, diluted 50:50 with water for 24 hours or so is good for stripping paint. It will attack plastic if left for long enough, but nowhere near as bad as your description.

Some enamel paints will turn very oily and sticky, so gloves are a good idea. I've mostly experienced this on old Lima models.

Acrylic paints will come off in a skin, if you are lucky. A gentle scrub with a toothbrush will get the remaining paint from rebated areas.

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Re: High Level chassis kit for Class 03/04

Postby John McAleely » Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:09 pm

Hmm. I do wonder if I overdid the soak (I submerged the body in stripper for ~25-30 mins) and should have instead left it only for a few mins and then scrubbed. It seemed to start having an effect after only a few mins, but I was keen to leave it for the 20 or so mins the instructions suggested might be appropriate.

When I tested a small amount on the inside of the plastic, I didn't notice the melting effect. Several people have noted I can be over-keen with consumables!

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Re: High Level chassis kit for Class 03/04

Postby Flymo748 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:35 pm

John McAleely wrote:When I tested a small amount on the inside of the plastic, I didn't notice the melting effect. Several people have noted I can be over-keen with consumables!


Well, the members of CHEAG didn't want to comment, but you're normally good for a round, and the pub has subsequently learned to get a second barrel in on Thursday nights :-)

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Re: High Level chassis kit for Class 03/04

Postby John McAleely » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:14 pm

Thanks Paul (I think!). Looking more closely at my handiwork after a restful cooking session, I think I'm less worried. The first area I thought I'd have to make smooth again, I'm now suspicious is actually some very thick paint - note the remaining impression from the transfer, which clearly was not my toothbrushes' work:

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I'm not even convinced that the more alarming affect on the radiator is not just paint sloshing around in slow motion:

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There clearly is some damage to 'melted' plastic - I have a couple less handrails to slice off - but I think I will have a fresh go with the same stripper tomorrow and a toothbrush. I'll use a little less this time.

Hopefully I can bring a tidy result (and not molten plastic) to the CHEAG workshop this weekend.

As a side note, it's brought up the brass steps very shiny!

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Re: High Level chassis kit for Class 03/04

Postby Lindsay G » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:42 pm

Regarding the Caley 812 - this does make up into an attractive model but I'm not sure I'd recommend it as an early foray into etched kit construction.

Like most Caley tenders, the 3000 gallon tender with the kit has rounded corners - the tender body is a single etched strip with the 4 tight curves having to be made precisely. A top panel then has to be soldered all the way around which has to be flared outwards with "fingers" at the corner having to be infilled with solder then everything rubbed down to end up hopefully with a nice smooth finish. A length of wire then has to be soldered along the edge to represent the beading - without melting the solder on the infilled corners. (If I've not explained that too well, the instructions can be viewed on the Caley Coaches website). All of this could be very off-putting for someone with little experience of working with brass.

I've got one of these kits sitting in a cupboard with only time delaying its build. However, I'll breath a sigh of relief when the tender body is completed.

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