Rivets on brass

[Mike Garwood]

Having just had delivered a Falcon Brass County - que laughter - the amount of missing rivet detail is, well, quite a lot...so apart from the PVA and plaster method are there other methods of replicating rivets. They need to go onto brass sheet.
All answers appreciated.

Mike

[Tim V]

The LRM rivetter?

[Philip Hall]

My choice would be the GW Models rivet press, having used one for years. it's not cheap, but like everything George Watts makes, it's well designed and strongly made. I think he does two for 4mm scale now, the original one with the table and the graduated wheels, and a more basic one with just the press and depth stop. He advertises in MRJ regularly.

Philip

[grovenor-2685]

Also you can now get decals for rivets.
Keith

[DavidM]

Mike,

I used to use Dick Ganderton's "Graskop" rivetter, which I still use for some jobs, but have found George Watts version well worth the extra expense - it's very precise and more versatile. Incidentally, many years ago I built a Falcon Brass tender (GWR 4000 gallon) and found the rivets were all in the wrong place, so I turned the etched wrapper inside out and re-rivetted it as per correct pattern, filling others with solder. Sounds tedious but was quite effective - this predated the Mitchell/Finney versions!

David Murrell

[rule55]

I had a chat with Tom Mallard at last year's Scalefour North and I recall that he said he used the B-R-M (Beeson-Reynalds-Marsh) rivetting tool which is produced on occasion by Lee Marsh. It does seem to be aimed at the 7mm modeller so whether it would be suitable for use in 4mm without modification is unknown to me.

[iak]

Also you can now get decals for rivets.
Keith

Archer Surface details

http://www.archertransfers.com/SurfaceDetailsMain.html

HIGHLY recommended

[Russ Elliott]

I had a chat with Tom Mallard at last year's Scalefour North and I recall that he said he used the B-R-M (Beeson-Reynalds-Marsh) rivetting tool which is produced on occasion by Lee Marsh. It does seem to be aimed at the 7mm modeller so whether it would be suitable for use in 4mm without modification is unknown to me.

It's excellent.

[jim s-w]

Archer Surface details

http://www.archertransfers.com/SurfaceDetailsMain.html

HIGHLY recommended

this is what they look like -



HTH

Jim

[martin goodall]

This thread illustrates the real value of this forum. The availability of rivet decals came as a revelation to me, and Jim's helpful photo has totally convinced me of their practical value.

I gather they are an Americam product. Does everyone just order them over the internet or is there any British supplier who imports them?

I see from the website that they come in various types and sizes. Does anyone have any hints or tips as to which to use in various applications?

[iak]

This thread illustrates the real value of this forum. The availability of rivet decals came as a revelation to me, and Jim's helpful photo has totally convinced me of their practical value.

I gather they are an Americam product. Does everyone just order them over the internet or is there any British supplier who imports them?

I see from the website that they come in various types and sizes. Does anyone have any hints or tips as to which to use in various applications?

Hallo Martin
Order direct from Archer, the turn round is quite quick considering its across the beeg pond.
I'd use AR88001 [starter set] to start with as they cover a lot of bases.
JSW may have used others I suspect.
I intend to experiment with some of the other stuff when I get time - the results as JSW has shown are smashing.
The famous Johnsons Kleer has a use with them for application and they are great for adding those missing rivets on wagons.
Full instructions are included

[Mike Garwood]

Gentlemen,
Thank you, the rivet decals look the business, order placed....breaths huge sigh of relief!

Mike

[jim s-w]

Hi Chaps

I'll check which ones I used - I am pretty sure there's a UK supplier. I'll check that too when I get home

Cheers

Jim

[iak]

I seem to recall its actually cheaper to order from the States if there is a UK supplier?
Its come up before elsewhere but my memory is not too good

[HowardGWR]

That basic sheet is on ebAY AT
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Archer-Surface-Details-Small-Rivet-Fastener-Heads-/190470033330?pt=UK_ToysGames_ModelKits_ModelKits_JN&hash=item2c58e60fb2

FOR £11.75 PLUS £1.75 POSTAGE.

British supplier.

HTH

Regards, Howard

[iak]

Oooooo now then.
Shame its just that one rivet sheet mind.
And £1.10 for postage

[HowardGWR]

What did I do wrong (typo apart)? Puzzled.

[jim s-w]

Hi All

I used 0.28mm rivets from Historex agents here in the UK. £11.75 was what I paid too!

Cheers

Jim

[grovenor-2685]

What did I do wrong (typo apart)? Puzzled.

If you mean, why didn't the link work?
Then see above where I have edited it.
You should insert a link between the URL tags, not between < and >.
ie

Code: Select all

[url]http://www.norgrove.me.uk/index.htm[/url]

then it will come out as a link in the message.
Those buttons at the top of the composition window have a purpose, try them out and check the effect with 'preview'.
Regards
Keith

[Andy W]

Am I right in thinking that these decals are actually raised - rather than being a flat representation? They look very interesting.

[grovenor-2685]

Yes you are right, follow that link above and then scroll down to the description at the bottom.
Regards
Keith

[HowardGWR]

Thanks Keith. What a pity. Every other site I use you do what I did with the web address. Ah well, something else to learn I suppose.

What I did not understand was the content of the 'IAK' message. Both the American advert and the eBay one are priced for one sheet AFAICS.

Anyway I shall certainly order some as an experiment. I have some rivet sheets in brass from Mainly Trains but of course with those you have to layer the whole surface otherwise you get a strip effect. Also you could end up with a thick edge if a layer (on a footplate for example).

Another advantage is that I suspect the whole thing goes easier on plastic. As example, the Bachmann Pannier and most RTR bodies, otherwise wonderfully detailed, miss off footplate edge rivets.

Will report back on experience, unless someone is before me and has a 'pic' they can post ( I saw the bus but that's a bit different).
Regards, Howard

[iak]

Apologies Howard
One could once get the Archer decals cheaper direct from the actual maker than by ordering from a UK supplier.
And that included the postage....
From what I can see now, that may not be the case, certainly for the rivet sheets.
However, Archer are releasing new sheets all the time; some which are railway specific, and they make take time to come across the pond.
That is if they get across at all.

Sláinte

[Bulwell Hall]

Hi All

I have a Reynolds Riveter which I bought from Tony years before Lee Marsh took over production of them. Mine came with dies and strikers for both 4mm and 7mm scales and I'm sure that Lee Marsh will supply the same. It is a beautifully made tool but was quite expensive - it is however likely to be the only Tony Reynolds made item that I am ever likely to own! It produces perfectly formed rivets, perfectly and uniformly spaced and in dead straight lines. It seems a shame that it is mostly used for embossing rivets already half etched in etched brass kits and I really should scratchbuild something so that its full potential can be realised. I would recommend it highly but there may be a wait as they are only produced in limited batches. See Lee Marsh's website for details.

Gerry Beale

[johnp]

Can you let me know what Lee's web address is please. Google hasn't been able to find it.

Regards,

John