Rivets on brass

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Re: Rivets on brass

Postby 45609 » Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:08 pm

http://www.modelmaker.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

Google seemed to find it ok with the search term "Lee Marsh". It was a few rows down the page.

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Re: Rivets on brass

Postby rule55 » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:45 am

Mike Garwood wrote:Having just had delivered a Falcon Brass County - que laughter - the amount of missing rivet detail is, well, quite a lot...so apart from the PVA and plaster method are there other methods of replicating rivets. They need to go onto brass sheet.
All answers appreciated.

Mike


Mike,

Leaving the subject of rivets for a moment, it might be worth your while seeking out a copy of Guy Williams' 'More 4mm Engines' as this contains a chapter that covers scratchbuilding a County class 4-6-0 and includes drawings.

PS I contacted Lee Marsh earlier last year regarding a 4mm version of the BRM rivet tool and he replied saying that he had no plans to produce a 4mm specific press and recommended I purchase the GW press.
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Re: Rivets on brass

Postby Mike Garwood » Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:53 pm


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Re: Rivets on brass

Postby Mike Garwood » Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:03 pm

Leaving the subject of rivets for a moment, it might be worth your while seeking pout a copy of Guy Williams' 'More 4mm Engines' as this contains a chapter that covers scratchbuilding a County class 4-6-0 and includes drawings.


Thanks I'd forgotten that, just dug it out of my bookcase. Just reminds you of how good the man was...

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Re: Rivets on brass

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Re: Rivets on brass

Postby ScottW » Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:17 pm

johnp wrote:Can you let me know what Lee's web address is please. Google hasn't been able to find it.


Try this http://www.leemarshmodelmaker.co.uk

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Re: Rivets on brass

Postby ScottW » Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:19 pm

You beat me to it Neil, I'll have to be quicker next time.

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Re: Rivets on brass

Postby grovenor-2685 » Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:15 pm

You beat me to it Neil, I'll have to be quicker next time.

Not to mention that Neil was 2 hrs behind Mike Garwood who in turn was 15 hrs behind migilbert30
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Re: Rivets on brass

Postby Mike Garwood » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:48 pm

Mike Garwood who in turn was 15 hrs behind migilbert30


Ahh, but will he ever finish his crab? :twisted: Being second to Morgan ain't so bad :D

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Re: Rivets on brass

Postby 45609 » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:13 pm

Ahh, but will he ever finish his crab? :twisted: Being second to Morgan ain't so bad :D


Hi Mike,

Thanks for that the dig, it was nicely redeemed by the flattery at the end. :oops: Trust me it will get finished....one day....

On the subject of rivetting I'll add another endorsment to the GW models rivetting press. I have the deluxe one with the graduated handwheels. Before that I used a gravity rivetting tool but the results were less than acceptable to my eyes. There was a tendency for the material around the rivet to bruise and deform slightly. With the GW press the anvil has a female half that supports the workpiece properly and gives perfect uniform rivets everytime. Of all the GW models tools I have it is the one I would never want to give up. Its worth every penny.

Cheers....Morgan

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Re: Rivets on brass

Postby Andy W » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:20 pm

Has anyone seen, or used, the Archer louvre decals?
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Plastic rivets and Louvres was Rivets on brass

Postby HowardGWR » Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:44 pm

I just had a look Ealing, (Americans use Saxon spelling instead of French i.e.louver) and I was reminded that their full size measurements need re-scaling in one's mind's eye.

Simple to do but I admit I failed to make that mental adjustment from HO to 1:76 scale when this thread moved to Archer's products.

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Re: Rivets on brass

Postby nberrington » Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:15 pm

grovenor-2685 wrote:
You beat me to it Neil, I'll have to be quicker next time.

Not to mention that Neil was 2 hrs behind Mike Garwood who in turn was 15 hrs behind migilbert30
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Actually I'm 6 hours behind you lot (central time : GMT -6). 8-)
The error was simple really, we all failed to notice there was a page 2!

Is there any fear these decals will fall off with long term use and abuse? I always very suspect of decals. (Although if one primes and paints over them - they should hold, no?)

Neil

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Re: Rivets on brass

Postby jim s-w » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:09 pm

Hi Neil

The method is to apply them under the paint.

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Re: Rivets on brass

Postby newport_rod » Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:06 pm

jim s-w wrote: The method is to apply them under the paint. Jim


Now that sounds an interesting teqnique. ;)

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Re: Rivets on brass

Postby Andy W » Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:31 pm

I received my sheet this morning - next day delivery from Historex. In the instructions it says "No decal will not stick to bare plastic so a coat of clear or primer is needed."

I'm not being pedantic here, but I assume that means they're best not used on unprimed plastic and that the double negative isn't intended?

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Re: Rivets on brass

Postby iak » Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:56 pm

Ealing wrote:I received my sheet this morning - next day delivery from Historex. In the instructions it says "No decal will not stick to bare plastic so a coat of clear or primer is needed."

I'm not being pedantic here, but I assume that means they're best not used on unprimed plastic and that the double negative isn't intended?

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Yup... Not on ones unprimed, virgin plastic
Johnsons Kleer does the job very nicely 8-)
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Re: Rivets on brass

Postby Andy W » Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:00 pm

Thanks iak.
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Re: Rivets on brass

Postby stephenhammond » Mon May 23, 2011 3:49 pm

DCC Supplies list these (but they are out of stock at present. Try www.dccsupplies .com.

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Re: Rivets on brass

Postby martin goodall » Mon May 23, 2011 8:25 pm

I have been meaning to order some of the Archer rivet decals for some time. They come in various sizes.

Historex Agents looks like a good source in this country.

I understand they should only be applied to a painted surface (presumably a gloss-painted surface is preferable - which can be matt varnished afterwards).


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