Wagon Workbench - 1970s - 1990s North Eastern region

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Re: Wagon Workbench - 1970s - 1990s North Eastern region

Postby Winander » Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:11 am

Triode wrote:Do you know if superstrip will work to remove the Halfords primer? I'd like to get down to bare metal and plastic if possible.

There have been many discussions about paint strippers e.g.
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The search function of the forum software is not good and I suggest using Google by typing the following in either its search or url field:

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Postby Daddyman » Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:30 pm

Modelstrip will only remove enamel applied by modellers. It won't touch manufacturers' paint (but is good on tampo printing) or Halford's aerosols; it also attacks superglue joints (for example etched details glued to plastic bodies).
Superstrip is more expensive and less reliable than brake fluid.

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Re: Wagon Workbench - 1970s - 1990s North Eastern region

Postby Triode » Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:11 am

A small update.

I've ordered some SuperStrip, but in the meantime I've tried soaking the wagon in IPA (not the drink!) This is proving capable of removing both the topcoat and the Halfords primer when gently scrubbed with a toothbrush. Hoepfully I'll be able to get it back to bare material soon and ready for another attempt.

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Postby davebradwell » Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:18 pm

I use methanol which is to hand. It certainly shifts anything I've used out of a Halfords can and an enamel top coat is no saviour. No need to scrub, either, it just needs flushing off with perhaps a poke into the corners with a paintbrush. I'm no chemist but believe it's just your IPA with knobs on.

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Re: Liam's wagon workbench - 70s-90s North Eastern region

Postby Hardwicke » Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:25 am

Triode wrote:
waveydavey wrote:Nice work Liam, especially the scratch built Haddock.

I think the starfish might be a little overloaded and the wheelbarrow and shopping trolley on top of the MDV would be in danger of falling off when the wagon was moving. Imagine the consequences of one of them falling off the wagon onto a crowded station platform at 45mph. But, of course, if you've worked from a photo.....

Keep them coming.


Point taken regarding the MDV lol! The trolley and wheelbarrow are actually still loose and just posed on there for the photo. When it comes to glueing them in place I'll put them a bit lower down or in one of the other wagons.

For the starfish, I'm thinking of swapping the ballast load for demolition or excavation spoil. I can't imagine these old wagons were much used for ballast by the 1970s; although the photo I worked from did have a ballast load.
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Re: Liam's wagon workbench - 70s-90s North Eastern region

Postby Hardwicke » Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:33 am

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waveydavey wrote:Nice work

Point taken regarding the MDV lol! The trolley and wheelbarrow are actually still loose and just posed on there for the photo. When it comes to glueing them in place I'll put them a bit lower down or in one of the other wagons.

I doubt that scrap wagons have much in the way of complete domestic items or trolleys. When I pass by Simms Metals Nottingham or the scrapyards at Rotherham or Attercliffe they items have been through the mincer and are just small bits. The only time I saw anything recognisable was a loco saddle tank in a lorry approaching Ollerton in the 1980s. It was slightly out of gauge but made it under the LD&ECR nevertheless.
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Re: Wagon Workbench - 1970s - 1990s North Eastern region

Postby Triode » Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:31 pm

A bit more wagonry to report. Here are three BR 12t vans based on the Bachmann models and about ready for painting. P4 wheelsets have been fitted along with etched safety loops, brake levers and lever guards, tie bars, V hangers, lamp brackets and vacuum pipe brackets. The vacuum pipes themselves are elastic cord fitted with magnets, and magnets are also fitted to the brackets allowing the pipes to be stowed at the end of a train.

The TOPS coded van also has a battery powered tail lamp fitted which is controlled via a latching reed switch.

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More soon I hope.

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Postby Daddyman » Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:31 am

I like your vac pipes. Are they based on the Jim S-W system? Did you use the same source of magnets?

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Re: Wagon Workbench - 1970s - 1990s North Eastern region

Postby Triode » Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:04 am

Daddyman wrote:I like your vac pipes. Are they based on the Jim S-W system? Did you use the same source of magnets?


Yes, I got the idea from Jim's article a while back. I think Jim uses the magnets side-on to the pipe though, which avoids having to coordinate North and South poles at the ends of the wagons. I use mine end-on. The magnets came from a seller on eBay and are 0.5mm thick x 1mm wide.

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Postby Daddyman » Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:57 am

Thanks. Do you have a source for the magnets?

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Postby Daddyman » Thu Feb 10, 2022 12:11 pm

Appreciated, thanks!

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Postby Triode » Thu Feb 10, 2022 12:19 pm

No worries. I think they're a fun feature, but time will tell whether I can stand to connect them all up in an actual train! I'm debating whether to try the same approach with air pipes too.

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Postby Daddyman » Thu Feb 10, 2022 1:53 pm

Triode wrote:No worries. I think they're a fun feature, but time will tell whether I can stand to connect them all up in an actual train! I'm debating whether to try the same approach with air pipes too.


Mmm. Up to now I've tended to bend vac. pipes so that they look like they're connected, but there's a possibility that the two inflexible metal pipes may come into contact with each other when the vehicles are in motion, and lead to derailments. Also, only brass or scratchbuilt ones can be bent to the required shape- whitemetal will just snap. I've ordered some magnets anyway, to have a play around. May need to ask you about elastic at some point too. Actually, I suppose I might as well ask now: what do you use for elastic? - it looks just right.

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Re: Wagon Workbench - 1970s - 1990s North Eastern region

Postby Triode » Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:11 pm

I use this stuff: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264431920643

The black 0.8mm option is the best, I've found.

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Postby Daddyman » Thu Feb 10, 2022 4:02 pm

Thanks again!

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Postby shipbadger » Thu Feb 10, 2022 4:40 pm

Brass tweezers are essential for connecting up the magnetic ends of vac or other pipes. I made the mistake of having a pair of tweezers made from magnet stainless steel. Those little magnets are very powerful !

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Re: Wagon Workbench - 1970s - 1990s North Eastern region

Postby Porcy Mane » Thu Feb 10, 2022 6:16 pm

shipbadger wrote:Brass tweezers are essential for connecting up the magnetic ends of vac or other pipes. I made the mistake of having a pair of tweezers made from magnet stainless steel. Those little magnets are very powerful !
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Re: Wagon Workbench - 1970s - 1990s North Eastern region

Postby Triode » Sun Feb 13, 2022 5:14 pm

Another wagon in the works is this LMS design BR brake van based on the current Hornby model. Aside from adding some detail to the brake gear and replacing molded details such as the lamp irons and safety rails, the main alteration was to replace the ends with plasticard fabrications so that the trusses inside the ends could be represented.

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Postby Daddyman » Sun Feb 13, 2022 7:32 pm

Well done. I've been trying to work out if it's possible on the Hornby one.
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Postby Triode » Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:17 pm

Daddyman wrote:Well done. I've been trying to work out if it's possible on the Hornby one.


It's definitely possible, but I debated for a while whether it was necessary or a step too far :D . I did it by weakening the original ends by drilling a lot of closely spaced holes and then was able to cut them out. After filing the sides back flush to the vertical corner posts, I made up replacement ends from 0.5mm plasticard backed with trussing of the same thickness. Hope this helps.

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Postby Daddyman » Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:25 pm

Triode wrote:
Daddyman wrote:Well done. I've been trying to work out if it's possible on the Hornby one.


It's definitely possible, but I debated for a while whether it was necessary or a step too far :D . I did it by weakening the original ends by drilling a lot of closely spaced holes and then was able to cut them out. After filing the sides back flush to the vertical corner posts, I made up replacement ends from 0.5mm plasticard backed with trussing of the same thickness. Hope this helps.

More or less what I was thinking of, so good to know it works, thanks. It was the sloping horizontal bottom edge that gave me pause...

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Re: Wagon Workbench - 1970s - 1990s North Eastern region

Postby Triode » Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:03 pm

Daddyman wrote:More or less what I was thinking of, so good to know it works, thanks. It was the sloping horizontal bottom edge that gave me pause...


I hadn't noticed that to be honest until you pointed it out and I looked closely at your photo! I don't think it's noticable enough to go to the trouble of including it personally. The trussing is the main thing for me as it's quite visible.

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Postby Daddyman » Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:50 pm

Triode wrote:
Daddyman wrote:More or less what I was thinking of, so good to know it works, thanks. It was the sloping horizontal bottom edge that gave me pause...


I hadn't noticed that to be honest until you pointed it out and I looked closely at your photo! I don't think it's noticable enough to go to the trouble of including it personally. The trussing is the main thing for me as it's quite visible.

You're probably right! I can't see it on any in-service prototype photos, and it's held my model up for two years or more.

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Re: Wagon Workbench - 1970s - 1990s North Eastern region

Postby Triode » Sun Mar 27, 2022 7:39 pm

A few photos of the BR 12t van trio and the Haddock sleeper wagon, which are now finished painting.
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