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Re: Brettell Road - Kit and RTR Bashing

Postby jim s-w » Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:13 pm

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OK this one isn't a particularly difficult exercise.  The Oxford tank wagon re-liveried to Shell/BP livery.  On my first Oxford tank I mentioned that the printing came off really easily with white spirit but not this one.  This needed IPA and a fair bit of elbow grease!   I added a discharge pipe and the logos came from Fox (they are a smidge to big for this little tank to be honest).  I noticed, too late, that Oxford have modelled both of the vertical end ribs facing the same way on these tanks.

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Next up a diagram 2070 12 ton goods van.  When I built my diagram 2108 van from  parkside kit I used the ends from a ratio 12 ton van as the Parkside ones are the wrong shape. The rest of the ratio kit sat in it's box until I recently decided to do something with it.  These vans, although looking very LMS were actually built (for the LMS) by the Southern in 1942.  I files off the metal framing a the ends and re-scribed the planks. The ends were just scratchbuilt from plasticard using the vent left over from the afore mentioned Parkside kit. Image
The finished van.  Bufffers are from Accurascale and the old label from Holler.

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Next, an Airfix LMS brake van chopped up to be rearranged into a Diagram 1890 version or 'reverse Stanier' as they are sometime called.
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As can be seen theres not much too this one and it makes quite a good project for those new to chopping stuff up.  These models can be found really cheaply so theres not a lot to loose.  The ends have been scribed as the upper 'window' section squared off with plasticard as filler.  A bit of microstrip for the vertical frame and the upper beading on the sides was sanded back.
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The finished Van.  Don't forget to redo the steps on the solebars!

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This is a cheeky little one. Basically the Parkside kit for the diagram 1657 20 ton brake van but with the wheelbase extended from 12 to 14 feet to produce a diagram 1940 version. One of those ones that i'll be surprised if anyone notices!

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The same cant be said for this though, I think people might notice!  Same start point of the parkside kit but rebuilt to a diagram 1799 40 ton bogie brake van.  The LMS built 3 of these specifically for the Copley Hill to Armley line and thats where they stayed.  I just liked it for its wierdness really!

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Re: Brettell Road

Postby Terry Bendall » Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:21 am

All very neat Jim and some quite simple projects that can be used by those less experienced to extend their skills. I assume that the bogies on the 1799 van were scratch built? Their simplicity makes this a viable option.

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Re: Brettell Road

Postby Noel » Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:18 am

jim s-w wrote:Oxford have modelled both of the vertical end ribs facing the same way on these tanks


Thanks for pointing that out, Jim, I hadn't spotted it in photographs [I don't have one, yet]. So far as I know, they should be "T" section as with other tanks; certainly that is what the RCH drawings show. How odd...
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Re: Brettell Road

Postby jim s-w » Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:54 pm

Terry Bendall wrote: I assume that the bogies on the 1799 van were scratch built?

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Thanks Terry

Yes they are. Simple overlays on an old A1 models bogie frame. Looking at the finished model pic I might lower to body on them a little.

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Re: Brettell Road

Postby PhilipT » Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:43 pm

Good to see a model of the D1799 van. As in Bob Essery's LMS wagons book, you say they worked on "the Copley Hill to Armley line". As far as I can see there was no direct line as such but I guess the traffic would have been worked from Copley Hill yard (-ex LNWR) via Wellington Street goods where a reversal would have been necessary in order to access the descent to Geldard Junction and the -ex NER line towards Armley. Maybe this descent was the reason for the 40 ton brake van? Does anyone know the nature of the traffic (my guess would be coal for Kirkstall power station)?

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Re: Brettell Road

Postby jim s-w » Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:14 pm

Midland brake van evolution - a visual guide.

One thing the Midland did well was use standardised bits and adapted them as they went along. This is quite noticeable in their signal boxes but also in their brake vans and, visually at least, the evolution is pretty obvious and logical.  So from left to right...

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Starting with the early midland 10 ton van.  This was very much of its time and featured 3ft 6in wheels with a veranda at one end only. The open platform thats so familiar to the idea of a brake van wasn't something that the Midland really went with and only one lot (D2096) of 4 vehicles would feature this in the future.  The rest of standard Midland brake vans would all feature a full length roof.

The later 20 ton van was built to diagram 1659 between 1924 and 1927 and featured a longer 12 ft wheelbase with 3ft wheels and a cabin that was 13ft 4in inside. This would become the standard size cabin for the rest of the midland vans that followed The similarities between the 2 type shown are pretty obvious with vertical planking and basically the same end panels.

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Next came diagram 1657 (the diagram numbers don't seem to follow in a chronological order) built between 1927 and 1931.  The obvious change was the duckets on the side.  The outer ends also evolved to feature a smaller opening and flush planking but still with the same offset central vertical spar.

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From diagram 1657 to diagram 1940 built in 1933/34.  Virtually identical except for an increase in wheelbase of 14ft which resulted in a visually less nicely proportioned vehicle. It's suggested that the increase was an attempt to improve stability at higher speeds.

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On to diagram 1890 also built in 1933/34.  Still 20 tons but with another wheelbase increase to 16ft and an increase on overall length from 20ft to 24ft. The cabin size remained the same but there was a change from vertical to horizontal planking. Note the end central spar now really is central!

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Finally diagram 2036.  Basically the same as before but with the door opening moved to the far end.  The planking on the ends is now gone as is the central spar as well as the upper part of the opening following the roof line. There were a few slightly different variants of this design such as diagram 2068 (the last being built in 1950) which featured a deeper ballast box between the wheels. Some of this last batch were also fitted although many of the other types were through piped at times in their lives.

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Re: Brettell Road

Postby jim s-w » Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:21 pm

Bit of a mixed bag this post, starting with;

A kind gift.

My friend Tom contacted me to say he had an old Millholme models kit for an LMS 30t bogie bolster and did I want it?  Of course it would be rude not too!

The kit represents, as best as I can tell, a diagram 1682 45 ft bogie bolster. These were a continuation of a Midland design with the only obvious difference being that the earlier ones had handbrake wheels rather than compound levers. The sides and solebars were, nicely, cast in one piece and being as old kit the bufferbeam and ends where missing. The trussing was also cast in whitemetal and was somewhat optimistic as its a long piece in a not very strong and somewhat bendy material.

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So to work I replaced all the trussing with 1mm L section brass from Eileens.  The brake lever castings were OK and they are both mounted at one end. It appears that only the bogie at this end is braked at all.

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The bogies are ratio ones and I ditched the swivelling plate idea as supplied preferring to pack them out and mount them with a screw.  The bufferbeams were from my scrap kit parts box and the extra rivet detail from Archers transfers. The buffers were the ones supplied in the kit.
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Lampost conundrum

My plan to extend Brettell Road includes completing the road currently on the left of the layout as well as adding a new road.  Digging around looking at local pictures in the late 50s the lamposts seem to be mostly the concrete cast type.  Theres a couple of options for these. Hornby Scaledale none working ones and woodland scenics working type.  I immediately discounted the latter as they are far too chunky and just look awful.

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Not that the Hornby ones look any better.  Im not sure why they bothered to produce these as they are basically crude lumps of resin and they don't even provide a foot for modellers to mount them.  The idea of fitting a surface mount LED and hiding the wires on the none viewing side went out of the window!  I must be able to do something better than this surely? Especially as, at most I will only need 5 of them.
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So with some K&S metal section (1.5mm square for the top and 2.4mm Hex for the main trunk) I made this.
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The base was blended into the main columns and sprayed with Plasticote suede. I also very lighty dusted some grey primer and blank over it to give a more concretey colouring. Below is how it looks in position.
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Baby Grampus

Flicking through Simon Bendall's bookazine 'Modelling British Railways - Engineers wagons' I was taken by a wagon I'd not come across before. The GWR designed ling.  A 14 ton open wagon that looks like a baby grampus. In the bookazine, Hywel Thomas built one by cutting down a Chivers Tunney but I decided another route would be to stretch a Cambrian starfish instead.
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So 2 starfish kits were found and a lot of cutting ensued. The doors on a Ling are shorter than a Starfish so each door had a section cut from the middle with new strapping from microstrip. Buffers are from Lanarkshire models, W irons from Bill Bedford, door bangers and steps from Rumney Models and the test of the underframe from plastic section and the spares box.
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Above is the reason i referred to this wagon as a baby grampus.  Along side one it's considerably smaller.  Comparisons between the shortened doors and the starfish originals can also be seen.

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Re: Brettell Road

Postby jim s-w » Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:47 pm

It seems that the good folk of Brierley Hill need to rely on buses for a while...
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...Brettell Road is currently somewhat disrupted!    Work progressing on the plan to double track the layout.   One of the advantages of designing a layout on a computer and having a friendly laser cutting chap is you can design bits to replace things you really should have thought more about the first time!

Ive talked before about the regret at not making the layout a double track and I've also touched on using MDF as a trackbed which turned out to be a tad too unstable. The main lines have been replaced with 6mm ply and a hole cut for it to sit in.  Pictures of Brettell Lane in the period show some encroachment of flat bottom trackwork but in the form of pointwork. Further down the line, north of Dudley the Midland lines were also flat bottom in the period I am modelling and since Brettell road has always been more Midland anyway I decided to go with flat bottom trackwork for the plain lines.  Specifically mills clips courtesy of Colin Craig. (the actual clips will be added after testing.

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Chains of slips under bridges all seem oddly familiar for some reason!  Like my other model nothing in this one is straight either! The track on the left isn’t fixed at this end yet

Thanks to Colin and Tim for their assistance in supplying bits.

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Re: Brettell Road

Postby jim s-w » Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:15 pm

Well the engineering works, true to form, over ran and took a bit longer than I expected. However the mini people of Brierley Hill will be pleased to hear that services can resume.
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I used to be a fan of the JLTRT track colour spray paint but as that range is long gone now and my last can was pretty much done for an alternative was required.  Halfords do a 'camouflage' range of very matt colours in their rattle cans and the brown is ideal as a basic track colour.
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The completed track ballasted and weathered from under the bridge. The blocks on the right are for the point rodding and I haven't fitted the point motors yet.
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The left hand end from the other side of the bridge. I have a couple of ground signals to add yet.
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And the right hand end.  This is the end that required the most adjustment of whats already there.
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The bridges over the canal have been adapted to fit in their new locations.  I still have a bit of work to bed them in properly and I intend to fit a couple of central girders between the tracks on both levels.
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The nearer buffer stop has been repositioned slightly and a new bridge built.  I decided to angle it a little and do a bit of scruffy road to go behind it.
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Old meets new!

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Re: Brettell Road

Postby DougN » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:08 pm

Looks great Jim.

One question regarding the track colour. Are you painting all the track ie rails and sleepers all the same or are you only doing parts. I can't quite see between photos one and four. One being the raw track awaiting the paint and then four which I can see is painted but your ballasting and weathering has toned it all in so wonderfully.
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Re: Brettell Road

Postby jim s-w » Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:24 am

Thanks Doug. The sleepers are all the Halfords dark brown and the rails are a lighter brown. I tend to be a little loose with the latter and if some gets on the sleepers I will blend it in with thinners which gives some slight variation but most is from the weathering.

Interestingly my studies of weathered track shows it’s different in the steam era to what you see today. Modem locos generally leave a line of oil/grease/crud down the centre of the track while in the late 50s/early 60s is seems there were 2 darker lines where the rails were and the centre was generally lighter. I’m not sure that comes over with what I’ve done.

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Re: Brettell Road

Postby DougN » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:17 am

I agree with you. The current track has a centre line where as the steam era do have quite a distinct pair of lines. I have noticed it most watching the preserved lines particularly where locos stand in platforms. Yard areas seem to be a congealed mass of dust, dirt, oil, coal.

I particularly liked your track as I have been watching some cine film on youtube of the North east area and the ballast which is cinders seems to be almost black with lighter sleepers. As you suggest it is a dark brown with lighter grey where the creosote has weathered away... but it is all lighter than the cinders. I am on the hunt for some good colour photos so I can replicate the look I am after. This is due to the cinders/ black sleepers looking wrong as there is little contrast in colours between the too.
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Re: Brettell Road

Postby jim s-w » Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:26 pm

Part of the process in upgrading Brettell Road and preparing it for part 2 was to redo the wiring. Those that have been following from the start will recall that it was initially only a plaything and not an exhibition layout and the wiring reflected that being just 4 wired between boards. 2 for the DCC and 2 for the AC supply.  A concession was made after the first show to provide short protection for each board but its not really how things should be done so its been mostly stripped out and done again.

So now the DCC is split into 3 sections. One for the yard, one for the mainlines and one for the accessories. Theres little point having short protection if said short cuts off the ability to throw the points and resolve it. The AC is also split into 2 sections as well, the second being a DC supply for LEDs. You can use AC for LEDs anyway but the flicker can be noticeable sometimes.   So now theres 10 wires between boards instead.

Signals

The new arrangement for entering the yard has required a few new signals as well.
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Mainly a couple of ground signals from the MSE kits. I need a couple more for part 2 (one of which is a double) so I built them all together.  These are powered by servos controlled by a Tam Valley control board.  http://tamvalleydepot.com/products/quadservodecoder.html
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I guess this also comes under signals? A simple limit of shunt sign from a MSE lamp a bit of brass tube and some microstrip.

Below a couple of mood shots.
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Re: Brettell Road

Postby jim s-w » Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:32 pm

DougN wrote: I am on the hunt for some good colour photos so I can replicate the look I am after. This is due to the cinders/ black sleepers looking wrong as there is little contrast in colours between the too.


Have you seen any of the last years of steam books Doug?

https://www.abebooks.co.uk/Last-Years-Steam-Around-Midlands-Photographic/30775084563/bd?cm_mmc=ggl-_-UK_Shopp_Tradestandard-_-product_id=COUK9781781551295USED-_-keyword=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI1rT4xvyl8AIVGe3tCh2LEAoEEAQYAiABEgLMsvD_BwE

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Re: Brettell Road

Postby bécasse » Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:19 pm

DougN wrote: I am on the hunt for some good colour photos so I can replicate the look I am after. This is due to the cinders/ black sleepers looking wrong as there is little contrast in colours between the too.


While these are now uprights separating two different garden levels, the marks on them show that they were once railway sleepers and, indeed, they were once noticeably darker than they are now.

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Re: Brettell Road

Postby DougN » Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:08 pm

Thanks Jim, no I haven't seen any of those books. I need to start looking more specifically for those books and similar. It is a disadvantage being in Australia in that we don't have many book shops or opportunities where we can browse titles such as these so they tend to need to be purchased sight unseen.

For the last 8 weeks I have been trying to get a project finished, so modelling has been on the back burner. Thankfully most of the building work is now finished and it is getting to the paper warfare to complete it. So hopefully I will end up with more time to get some models finished. I never realised just how tired walking can make you! I went from being in the office to on site from walking around 3000 to 4000steps to 11000 to 13000 so up to 3 times!
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Re: Brettell Road

Postby DougN » Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:15 pm

bécasse wrote:
DougN wrote: I am on the hunt for some good colour photos so I can replicate the look I am after. This is due to the cinders/ black sleepers looking wrong as there is little contrast in colours between the too.


While these are now uprights separating two different garden levels, the marks on them show that they were once railway sleepers and, indeed, they were once noticeably darker than they are now.

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Thanks for the photo. It is always interesting to see these colour changes. I say that as colour is subjective to certain extent. What little modelling I have done has included a lot of painting. Jim is a bit of an expert at getting the palette of colours to be complimentary. I have just started looking/thinking/ observing colour from the perspective of what we model. Ok going from using a colour from a tin as it says its wagon grey to actually looking and matching/ mixing colour the colours. ( yes Jim did use the colour from the tin originally but then had other washes etc to get the needed tones ect)

All the best

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Re: Brettell Road

Postby Terry » Sun May 02, 2021 3:30 pm

Having only rejoined the society back in March this year, I'm spending some time looking at threads which interest me. Over the last week or so I've managed to work my way through this one in some detail. I must say this is very inspiring work on locomotives, rolling stock and scenery!

I'll continue to follow with much interest.

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Re: Brettell Road

Postby jim s-w » Mon May 03, 2021 4:47 pm

Thanks Terry

Welcome back!

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Re: Brettell Road

Postby jim s-w » Sun May 09, 2021 6:02 pm

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Re: Brettell Road

Postby Dave Holt » Sun May 09, 2021 8:39 pm

Always said P4 wouldn't work :o
Nicely posed (I hope).
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Re: Brettell Road

Postby jim s-w » Mon May 24, 2021 5:45 pm

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With the point rodding redone and signal wires back in place theres not really anything left to do on Brettell Road part 1.  I was hoping to embrace the latest technology with the rodding and decided to go with 3d printed BR stools from Modelu.  However those didn't work out for me at all and proved to be far too fragile.  Ive sent them all back and Alan is going to investigate as he believes there was a problem with the resin.  I'll do a follow up post when he comes back with his findings. So as the old adage goes, sometimes its best to stick with what you know I went back to the trusty Brassmasters etched ones instead.

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The cranks are also Brassmasters although I've used the MSE bases as I thought they were better.  The rodding itself and signal posts are also from MSE with the signal wires from ezline. Unlike the previous version where I made some of the point rodding work, just to see if i could, I didn't feel any need to to it again.

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A few more detectors for the ground signals  were knocked up from bits of brass and my rain technique of coats of Tamiya smoke and AK wet effects fluid reapplied.  I guess you could say I'm back to where I was a few months ago!

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Theres something oh so familiar about glimpses of grubby track between bridges and retaining walls.

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At the other end of the layout the extra bits of the bridges have been added.

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One thing I forgot to mention before is this stuff. Its great for fixing ballast and while its no where near as cheap as the traditional PVA/ water/ washing up liquid concoction it can be used straight from the bottle with no messing around wetting everything first.

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Re: Brettell Road

Postby Serjt-Dave » Tue May 25, 2021 8:02 am

Excellent work there Jim. Well done.

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Re: Brettell Road

Postby Terry Bendall » Wed May 26, 2021 9:40 am

jim s-w wrote:With the point rodding redone and signal wires back in place theres not really anything left to do on Brettell Road part 1.


Back to New Street Jim?? :D

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