Iain Rice built Midland/LMS 2P

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Iain Rice built Midland/LMS 2P

Postby barrowroad » Tue Dec 20, 2022 5:57 pm

After completing the conversion of three Bachmann Jubilees and one Patriot for friends and Society members and have decided to take a break and work on something for myself.
A while ago I saw an unpainted EM gauge Gibson Midland/LMS 2P on eBay at a very reasonable price which had been built by Iain Rice in 2001. Following his passing I got it out the cupboard and decided to do some work on it to convert it to P4, get the model up and running and finish the painting and weathering.
The model is not running and needs work on the chassis. I have a Bill Bedford 2P chassis kit of the same vintage as the model so I am planning to use this for the new P4 chassis.
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I'm planning on 40634 or 40563, both Bath engines which would have visited Bristol shed in the 1950s early 60s.
First problem both are left hand drive engines and Iain had built it as right hand. Apart from the chimney which lens to the left the model is well built and will only need a good clean up before applying any paint.

I started the chassis kit yesterday and here is the result so far.
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The sand boxes and footplate support brackets are next but I've just noticed the tabs and slots do not line up so I'm signing off to sort it.
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Re: Iain Rice built Midland/LMS 2P

Postby John Palmer » Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:45 am

The model seems to be a bit equivocal about whether it's left- or right-hand drive. The ejector is positioned as for a left-hand drive engine, but there appears to be rebate in the cladding on the right-hand side for the reach rod. LMS Standard 2P's were, I think, all left-hand drive, which would mean that the ejector is correctly positioned on the model but the reach rod rebate is not.

Can't see clearly in your pictures whether the model's tender is of the bulkhead or coal door variety. Whilst tender-locomotive pairings are a subject unto itself, I have quite a strong impression that for most of their careers post-nationalisation 40634 was paired with a coal door tender and 40563 with the bulkhead type.

You may well have photographs demonstrating that 40634 and 40563 were both visitors to Bristol, but I would guess that such visits must have been fairly uncommon, as the information I have indicates that 40634 was a Templecombe engine throughout the post-nationalisation period and that the same is true of 40563 save for a spell of allocation to Bath in 1949. The last few engines in the Standard 2P number series (40696-8 and 40700) were allocated to Bath for most of their post-nationalisation lifetimes but your model wouldn't be representative of them without plenty of additional work to the tender, as their tenders seem to have all been fitted with additional coal fenders and in most cases had prominent snaphead rivetting. If you're not firmly wedded to 40634 or 40563 as your prototype then 40601 might be a good candidate engine from Bath, albeit one that 's rather camera shy after 1953.

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Postby barrowroad » Wed Dec 21, 2022 11:42 am

John thank you for the information on 40563 and 40634. My original choice was 40698 but I ruled it out due to the riveted tender. 40696 is another option. Looking at photos of 40696 Railonline one photo at Bath in 1958 shows it with a rivetted tender and coal rails whilst another on Green Park shed, stored/withdrawn in July 1961, shows it with a beaded tender interestingly with faded British Railways lettering. Colourail has a photo taken March 1954 on the Branksome turntable where the tender has coal rails and what appears at first sight to be a beaded tender although on enlargement it is riveted. Do you know when the riveted tender was removed?
What appears to be a reach rod rebate on Iain's model is in fact the marks left after I removed the reach rod that he had soldered to that side. There is no rebate and I will attach it to the left side in due course.
The tender on the model is a coal door version shown in this photo. Coal rails can be added as I have a number of Brassmasters etches in stock. I need an engine with a beaded tender.
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Any other information you have on 40696 would be appreciated.
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Postby Noel » Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:45 pm

barrowroad wrote:stored/withdrawn in July 1961, shows it with a beaded tender interestingly with faded British Railways lettering


In that era it, I understand that it wasn't unknown for a good tender on a withdrawn loco to be swapped for a poor tender on a working loco.
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Re: Iain Rice built Midland/LMS 2P

Postby 45609 » Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:06 pm

A couple of decent post 1953 photos of 40601 here...

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Postby John Palmer » Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:18 pm

The latest-dated picture of 40696 with rivetted tender that I have found is the spread at pp.104-105 of Norman Lockett's “The Somerset & Dorset in Colour”. The date given is no more specific than 1959, but clearly it's a summertime shot. Next photograph in chronological order that I have seen is at https://railphotoprints.uk/p559135178/h3067c4c2#h2b1ae717. This is a Hugh Ballantyne shot in the Rail Photoprints range dated 13 August 1960, in which the tender can be seen to be without fenders and none of the prominent rivetting to be seen in earlier shots. It seems reasonable to infer from these two shots that the rivetted tender was replaced by what was probably the final tender paired with the engine between Summer 1959 and August 1960, but that's as close as I have been able to get.

40696 was photographed by Sid Nash whilst in store behind Highbridge shed on 20 October 1956, together with 40601 and 40698, but was clearly returned to traffic subsequently. Under the title “Organised Chaos!” the S&D Trust have published with annotations the Bath Running Foreman's logs for 1960 and 1961, the latter year being the last in which any significant use was made of 2Ps as assisting engines. Even so, references to 2Ps in the logs are rare, suggesting that by this date BR Standard engines had substantially replaced them on such duties, and the Trust publication notes that by the week ending 8 July 1961 the only members of the class still allocated to Bath were 40696, 40697 and 40700, and that of these 40696 was already in store. It seems likely that although this locomotive's official date of withdrawal was in May 1962, she had been out of traffic from at least 10 months earlier.

The hybrid tender livery to be seen in the Colour Rail shot is very interesting, and I would guess it must have been this tender that remained with the engine from the time it replaced the rivetted tender up to withdrawal. At https://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/27814712141/in/photostream/lightbox/ there is a useful photograph of the engine at Crewe on 13 June 1962 following withdrawal, confirming that the final tender attached was of the coal door variety. The front buffer beam and running plate can be seen to have taken a bit of a bash!

Another useful point to note from the Colour Rail shot is that the tablet exchanger apparatus fitted to this final tender attached to 40696 is of the 'pivot and rotate' variety illustrated in the second and third photographs at https://lmssociety.org.uk/topics/singleLineWorking3.php, the LMS Society's monograph dealing with single line working. I think this was the most common exchanger mount on 2P tenders required to use the Whitaker apparatus, but examples can also be found of a downward hinging arrangement for the exchanger.

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Postby Jeremy Suter » Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:56 pm

3 more pictures of 40601
40601 Evercreech junction station
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40601 leaving Bath
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40601 nr. Chilcompton
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Re: Iain Rice built Midland/LMS 2P

Postby John Palmer » Wed Dec 21, 2022 6:48 pm

Continuing my 40696 theme, there's a problematic photograph at https://railphotoprints.uk/p559135178. This shows the locomotive standing in stored condition in the Gas Sidings at Bath shed, and given the reference RPC517 (any ideas on who 'RPC' was?) Clearly has the rivetted tender with fenders attached, but the photograph is said to have been taken in October 1961. I couldn't see a date for the Colour Rail picture we have been discussing, but there's a monochrome shot from a similar vantage point at https://www.rail-online.co.uk/p778768556/h38EB46F5#h38eb46f5 for which a 30 July 1961 date is given. Clearly the non-rivetted tender in hybrid livery, so if the date on the RPC517 picture is correct then there were two further tender changes after July 1961: that shown in the RPC517 picture then a further change to the 1962 one taken at Crewe to which I linked in my previous post. I have some doubts about the accuracy of the 1961 date applied to the RPC517 picture, but against that the preceding picture (of 40698) in the Rail Photoprints range coded RPC513 also has an October 1961 date attributed, and appears to have been taken at the same time. Not sure what to make of this...

The picture Jeremy has posted showing 40601 at Evercreech has some curiosity value, as the nondescript brake adjacent to the engine almost certainly makes this the return working of the April 1954 Ian Allan excursion, on which 30932 "Blundells" and 40601 took the train from Templecombe to Bath. 40698 piloted 40601 over Mendip on the return working, but was evidently detached at Evercreech.

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Postby barrowroad » Wed Dec 21, 2022 8:43 pm

Thank you all for all the information and photographs.
John 40696 is a bit strange. The Colourail photo shows the engine in a very rusty state which suggests it had been stored for quite some time when this photo was taken. The photos of 40696 and 40698 alongside the Midland Railway shed don't look in the same condition so there is definitely some doubt over the date.

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Postby John Palmer » Thu Dec 22, 2022 10:24 am

Robin, I agree completely. I think Rail Photoprints applied a generic 'RPC' reference prefix to all their photographs not forming part of an identified photographer's collection - e.g. 'HB' is applied as a reference prefix to Hugh Ballantyne's photographs - so there's no easy way to identify who took the RPC513 and RPC517 pictures. Being able to do so might make it possible to associate them with other pictures probably taken on the same occasion, and thus help to establish when they were taken.

I'll be on the lookout for other dated pictures showing 40696 and 40698 stored in the Gas Sidings, but I can see no good reason for 40696 to have undergone two further tender exchanges after going into storage, so misdating of these two pictures seems entirely possible. Anyway, you can at least be sure that 40696 was attached to a flush rivetted tender in 1960 even if doubt remains as to when the exchange with the earlier tender took place.

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Postby Dave Franks » Thu Dec 22, 2022 4:39 pm

Hi Robin, the 2P is looking good, I'm working on the same kit myself with the tender complete and the loco still with more to do, it has been running in though on Wharfeside and with CSB on the drivers can haul the nine coach Waverley set without a Jub to help but the ten coach Thames/Clyde does defeat it, perhaps a tight wheelset or two. Anyway can I help by saying if doing an LMS built 2P the cab roof vent should be the LMS sliding type which is quite flat, the one in the kit is iirc the Midland 'pop up' type which you have.

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and the cab roof vent.

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Powered by a Mashima 1624 can with a HL gearbox of I think 54:1 it runs well from a very slow crawl up to 70ish so just about right for me. Still things to do like balance weights, finish off the dummy motion, ashpan, etc, etc.
The 2P has now been equiped with steel lamp irons so it can double head the Thames/Clyde Express or trundle up to Ilkley on the local. Some 1mm magnets fitted in our cast LMS lamps work a treat.

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Postby Jeremy Suter » Thu Dec 22, 2022 5:31 pm

Hi Robin and John
A few pictures of 40696 in Service sorry to say she carried a rivetted tender.
40696 Evercreech Junction 1953
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40696 Bath shed 6.7.57
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40696 Evercreech Junction 195 19.7.58
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40696 nr Shepton Mallet 22.8.59
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You you will have to think up some more options I can rule out 40697 and 40698 both had rivetted tenders.
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Postby barrowroad » Thu Dec 22, 2022 5:39 pm

Hi Dave, Your 2P is looking good. Thanks for the info about the cab roof vent I had spotted it in some photos but thanks for the confirmation.
Is the chassis of your 2P Gibson or Bedford and and is the tender Gibson or Bachmann with your excellent chassis kit?
I'm still plodding on with the Bedford chassis kit and have just managed to get the front bogie finished. I'll be kind and just say it took a bit of remedial work to get it to fit together! I might be placing an order for a tender chassis shortly - at least I know they fit together beautifully.
Which 2P are you modelling?

Wishing you a great Christmas

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Postby barrowroad » Thu Dec 22, 2022 5:42 pm

Jeremy, thanks for the photos of 40696 which did indeed have a rivetted tender for a large part of it's life but as John pointed out in this thread it was photographed with a beaded tender around 1959/60 so I think I will still go with it.

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Postby essdee » Thu Dec 22, 2022 6:34 pm

Some cracking photos here, gents - but Jeremy's top photo is not Evercreech Jct, it's Blandford Forum, looking north. That footbridge alone is diagnostic.

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Postby Jeremy Suter » Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:11 pm

essdee wrote:Some cracking photos here, gents - but Jeremy's top photo is not Evercreech Jct, it's Blandford Forum, looking north. That footbridge alone is diagnostic.

Steve

Wrong caption. This is the Evercreech junction one. Same week or even day they are both on the same roll of film.
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A few more if you are decided on 40696. Although the picture John has found at Bath in 61 with beaded tender is withdrawn with spare tender and the original one has been reused.
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40696 I think Templecombe
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40696 Bath 6.7.57
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40696 Bath 6.7.57
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Postby RAO » Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:17 pm

So jealous.

What a lovely locomotive. Is the body a Alan Gibson etch? I have the same chassis that I will use in the future, so will be very interested in your progress.

I was lucky enough to pick up some of Ian Rice's wagons a few years ago and carefully bring them out from time to time, all look and work perfectly.

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Postby John Palmer » Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:18 pm

Steve is absolutely correct: the 1953 photograph was indeed taken at Blandford. But there is an oddity about the photograph, in that this is a Down train (S&D passenger headcode carried on a tender-leading working), but it is traversing the Up passing loop. Why the wrong line working?

The 22 August 1959 picture shows a Down train, I think in the vicinity of Lower Downside Farm, a little to the north of Shepton Mallet. The M223 reporting number doesn't seem to have been common; I think it might be for a 9.15 SO Birmingham-Bournemouth train, but am not sure*. The important point is that the tender of 40696 differs from that in the other pictures, as it has no fenders. I think it is probably the same tender as shown in Hugh Ballantyne's shot at https://railphotoprints.uk/p559135178/h3067c4c2#h2b1ae717 to which I linked earlier, in which case it's very helpful as it strongly suggests that the exchange of tenders to the one shown took place in the summer of 1959, probably shortly after the Norman Lockett picture I referred to above, in which the engine was still attached to a rivetted tender with fenders.

*Have now found a caption to this photograph in 'Celebration of the Somerset & Dorset Railway' stating that M223 was the 9.03 SO Birmingham-Bournemouth train. Close, but no cigar.
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Re: Iain Rice built Midland/LMS 2P

Postby peterbkloss » Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:51 pm

The historical information in this thread is of some personal interest in that I have a similar objective to 'Barrow Road' for my 'Weston-super-Mare S&D' might have been themed layout to provide a stock of locomotives that graced the portals of Barrow Road, BGP and Templecombe sheds (my location conveniently accesible to all three) in the late 50s, very early 60s

Its just my opinion (I mean that sincerely) that the optimal 2P for that location is 40537, an ex Midland 483 that spent the end of its life (from 1959 to withdrawal in mid 1962, making it the last 2P in service) shuttling between Barrow Road, which I believe to be its 'home shed' before then (but I don't have any allocation data to back that up) and being 'on loan' to Templecombe, apart from a brief spell in 1961 being allocated to Leamington of all places, but they didn't want it and it ended up back at Templecombe.

The other interesting 'feature' of 40537 was its tender allocation. In 1959 it had a standard Fowler LMS tender with coal rails. In 1960-61 it appears to have a standard Fowler tender without coal rails. In 1962, this was swapped for a more appropriate MR 3250 gallon tender, which it took on its last journey. (this info is gleaned from its appearances in dated photographs in my collection of S&D themed book collection).

So, in view of suitability as a 2P 'mod' from the kit of this thread - it would need 7' drivers, RH drive, an MR exhaust injector modification (bent fat pipe from smokebox to footplate and gubbins behind the 'middle' step on the LH side), ejector on the RH side and Stanier chimney in BR days. I hope to fairly soon make a model of this one kit bashed from a Dapol body ...

PS - this loco is not to be confused with 40527 that graced BGP in the early 50s, and is so confusingly numbered almost the same. It always had an ex MR tender

PS - the kit loco body has a Fowler chimney that would need to be swapped for a Stanier one for Barrow Roads' period?

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Postby Noel » Thu Dec 22, 2022 8:08 pm

peterbkloss wrote:40537, an ex Midland 483 that spent the end of its life (from 1959 to withdrawal in mid 1962, making it the last 2P in service) shuttling between Barrow Road, which I believe to be its 'home shed' before then (but I don't have any allocation data to back that up) and being 'on loan' to Templecombe, apart from a brief spell in 1961 being allocated to Leamington of all places, but they didn't want it and it ended up back at Templecombe.

According to "Shed by Shed" part 6 [WR] it was allocated to Barrow Road 2/59 to 8/61, Leamington 8/61 to 3/62 and Templecombe 3/62 to 7/62.
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Postby John Palmer » Thu Dec 22, 2022 9:04 pm

Jeremy, you've come up with some really good S&D pictures, most of which I don't think I have seen before, so many thanks for posting them here.

I have my doubts about ascribing a 1953 date to the Evercreech picture that's first in your most recent post here. One difference between this picture and that taken at Blandford is the mixed traffic lining still applied to 40696 in the Blandford picture, no trace of which can be seen in the Evercreech picture. The other factor prompting my doubt is the carriage in the background. I am pretty confident that this is S2626S, a lavatory brake third rebuilt by the Southern from old LSW carriages. This vehicle and lavatory composite S4654S did duty on the S&D as 'loose' carriages, and were habitually stabled in the Evercreech goods yard where the carriage can be seen in the background to your photograph. However, they didn't arrive on the S&D until 1954, according to Mike King, which is what is causing me to doubt that this is a 1953 photograph. Small point, but perhaps an illustration of the uncertainties that can arise when putting a date to a picture.

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Postby peterbkloss » Thu Dec 22, 2022 9:31 pm

Noel wrote:
peterbkloss wrote:40537, an ex Midland 483 that spent the end of its life (from 1959 to withdrawal in mid 1962, making it the last 2P in service) shuttling between Barrow Road, which I believe to be its 'home shed' before then (but I don't have any allocation data to back that up) and being 'on loan' to Templecombe, apart from a brief spell in 1961 being allocated to Leamington of all places, but they didn't want it and it ended up back at Templecombe.

According to "Shed by Shed" part 6 [WR] it was allocated to Barrow Road 2/59 to 8/61, Leamington 8/61 to 3/62 and Templecombe 3/62 to 7/62.


Thank you for that info. However, being allocated to Barrow Road did not prevent its loan to Templecombe prior to being sent off to Leamington - it seems to have spent most of its time on the S&D - I'm curious just what use Barrow Road woud have made of a 2P (in terms of services it would have worked) none of the photo 'albums' of published photos of the ex MR lines north of Bristol show a 2P doing anything (could be down to my selection of books though and my focus post 1958, I know that 2Ps were common earlier, and that much earlier, by that I mean late 20s - early 30s you were lucky to find anything bigger, a few 3Ps and no compounds before 1930)

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Postby Dave Franks » Thu Dec 22, 2022 9:46 pm

barrowroad wrote:Hi Dave, Your 2P is looking good. Thanks for the info about the cab roof vent I had spotted it in some photos but thanks for the confirmation.
Is the chassis of your 2P Gibson or Bedford and and is the tender Gibson or Bachmann with your excellent chassis kit?
I'm still plodding on with the Bedford chassis kit and have just managed to get the front bogie finished. I'll be kind and just say it took a bit of remedial work to get it to fit together! I might be placing an order for a tender chassis shortly - at least I know they fit together beautifully.
Which 2P are you modelling?

Wishing you a great Christmas

Robin


Hi Robin, thanks for your comments. Yes the tender is the original Gibson one with a few mods and has our chassis kit underneath, the loco chassis frames are scratchbuilt as I just didn't like the original, HL hornblocks and as said CSB on the drivers. The compensated bogie has a rubbing plate and it's pivot moved to just in front of the bogie rear axle so the bogie steers the loco, if you can imagine the 2P as a 2-6-0 it reduces the front overhang so it can work with coaches tender first with no bufferlock as per some of the local trains.
Loco numbers being considered are 40586, 40685 or 40690 from Skipton, Hellifield and Leeds Holbeck, all were seen on the Wharfedale line in 1958 and even in the final week of steam locals in January 59 before the DMUs.
Something else wrong I've just remembered is inside the cab, the splasher, with the curved drop down, on which the reverser is mounted is correct but the firemans side should be slightly lower and has a flat wooden top, the kit has both sides with the drop down for the reverser handle.
One last thing if you don't mind is the handrail knobs on the tender front, I replaced them with short ones as the kit ones were well wide of the cab sides.

I hope all that helps,
Regards and a Merry Christmas to you and yours.

Dave Franks.

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Re: Iain Rice built Midland/LMS 2P

Postby barrowroad » Fri Dec 23, 2022 3:43 pm

Jeremy and John thank you both for the additional photos and information it is much appreciated.

The Bill Bedford chassis kit is certainly interesting and a test of patience. The assembly of the main frame consists of two fold up etches, the front section for the bogie mounting and the rear for the drivers. Both fold up well and with frame spacers soldered in place form a strong unit. The two sections are then soldered together using two pieces of 0.7mm wire through etched holes to aid alignment. Overlays are then added after pressing out the rivet detail. The photo below shows the result.
The second photo is the sole guidance offered with the kit.

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The four sand boxes fold up reasonably well but do not sit well on the raised parts of the frames. I had to file these raised sections flush with the rest of the frame in order to get them to sit and align in order to solder them using an RSU.
The four triangular brackets which support the running place are supposed to be tab and slot fit but the tab and slot do not line up - in order for the top of the bracket to align with the op of the frame. I removed the tab and soldered them again using an RSU.
What should have been a simple job wasn't.
By contrast the brakes went together well.
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Next task was the front bogie. Again the main unit is fold up with an overlay. I found the overlay needed the hornblock slots filed in order to fit the main unit. The compensation is 'different' - the compensation beam is out board of the main unit with a fold out tab at the centre that does not protrude far enough through the etched overlay to fit a piece of 11thou wire. I replaced this with a short handrail knob.
The bearings would not fit in the holes in the beam and needed a lot of filing in order to match the measurement between the two fold out hornblock guides each side of the main unit. After much fettling I managed to achieve a finished front bogie as per the following photos.
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Finally for today here are the mainframe and bogie temporarily together.
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Re: Iain Rice built Midland/LMS 2P

Postby barrowroad » Fri Dec 23, 2022 4:19 pm

Peter, the Iain Rice 2P is assembled from an Alan Gibson LMS 2P Kit. Gibson also produced a kit for the Midland 483 2P - I have one in the stock cupboard. Bristol Barrow Road had a number of the Midland right hand drive 2P's allocated in the 1950's as follows
40332 - Feb 1957 to Sept 1958. It was withdrawn in Feb that year.
40424 - Jan 1951 Withdrawn Jan 1952.
40426 - October 1951 to October 1957. It was withdrawn in October that year.
ES3069 40426 (RF) One Pair of D-Wheels Removed Bath (22A) Shed 31-08-1955 - Resized Copy.jpg

Copyright Eric Sawford taken 31st August 1955.

40486 - June 1952 to Feb 1957. It was withdrawn in Feb that year.
40489 - was Gloucester based from Sept 1952 to Feb 1958 when it was stored and then withdrawn - it was a regular in Bristol.
40501 - Dec 1957 to June 1960. It was withdrawn in Sept 1958 and Ivo Peters photographed it in store.

As for their use the 2P allocation of Barrow Road, Gloucester and Bournville were all used on the Bristol - Gloucester - Birmingham passenger trains during the 1950's.
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