Coach Rake Couplings
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Coach Rake Couplings
Hi All, still ploughing through a 3 car Bullied set that I'm building. But now the time has come to think about the intermediate couplings between the coaches. They will remain as a permanent rake only having working couplings on the extreme ends of the set. I did buy some of David Bradwell's {Box} Couplings but as I keep looking at them I can't help in thinking they are a bit over engineered. I would like to retain the look of a real coupling, which Bradwell's sort of do {in a bad light and from a mile away} keeping all the pipe work etc visible.
What does everyone else use?
Dave
What does everyone else use?
Dave
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Re: Coach Rake Couplings
Hi Dave,
For the couplings within fixed rakes I use a modified Bill Bedford coupling.
Details and photos are in Scalefour News 192.
Bryan
For the couplings within fixed rakes I use a modified Bill Bedford coupling.
Details and photos are in Scalefour News 192.
Bryan
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Re: Coach Rake Couplings
The Brassmasters couplings are good. They have all the gubbins, hooks and pipes, but are in reality just a hook that goes behind the buffer beam of the next coach. They come in screw and buckeye, but not Scharnhorst or whatever those modern things are called
http://www.brassmasters.co.uk/coach_couplings.htm
http://www.brassmasters.co.uk/coach_couplings.htm
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Re: Coach Rake Couplings
Interesting that both sets of pipes are ribbed.
Vacuum brake pipes are ribbed and steam heat pipes smooth so you can tell the difference in the dark, so I was told.
Gordon A
Vacuum brake pipes are ribbed and steam heat pipes smooth so you can tell the difference in the dark, so I was told.
Gordon A
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Re: Coach Rake Couplings
Thanks guys.
Bryan, will take a look at the Bill Bedford ones via MRJ.
Jon and Gordon, I remember theses lost wax ones from many years ago but couldn't remember who made them. As the coaches are Bullied ones it will be the Buckeye versions needed. How I remember the difference the vac brake and heating pipe was the vac was a bloody pain to separate, either in daylight or in the dark. LOL.
Dave
Bryan, will take a look at the Bill Bedford ones via MRJ.
Jon and Gordon, I remember theses lost wax ones from many years ago but couldn't remember who made them. As the coaches are Bullied ones it will be the Buckeye versions needed. How I remember the difference the vac brake and heating pipe was the vac was a bloody pain to separate, either in daylight or in the dark. LOL.
Dave
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Re: Coach Rake Couplings
On Bulleid coaches have successfully used Kaydee couplings under Keen corridor connections.
Easy to couple and uncouple.
Easy to couple and uncouple.
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Re: Coach Rake Couplings
Brian Pearce wrote:On Bulleid coaches have successfully used Kaydee couplings under Keen corridor connections.
Easy to couple and uncouple.
What number/type of Kadee did you use Brian?
I am thinking of using Kadee couplings on my rack of Maunsells.
Steve
Steve Carter
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Re: Coach Rake Couplings
Steve Carter wrote:Brian Pearce wrote:On Bulleid coaches have successfully used Kaydee couplings under Keen corridor connections.
Easy to couple and uncouple.
What number/type of Kadee did you use Brian?
I am thinking of using Kadee couplings on my rack of Maunsells.
Steve
Steve
I used one no 19 and one no 20 for my Hornby Maunsell P set on Wheal Elizabeth if that helps.
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Re: Coach Rake Couplings
No 22 or 25 overset types set into slotted out buffer beam. About to do some Maunsells myself.
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Re: Coach Rake Couplings
Thanks Brian and Andrew, like Steve I was thinking about Kaydee's and he preempted my next question "what size"?
The only issues I may have with them is I use S&W couplings which also uses a magnet to couple/uncouple, so will have to adjust the Kaydee's so not to be effected by the magnets.
Dave
The only issues I may have with them is I use S&W couplings which also uses a magnet to couple/uncouple, so will have to adjust the Kaydee's so not to be effected by the magnets.
Dave
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Re: Coach Rake Couplings
I cut off the uncoupling tails so no magnetic effect on the Kaydees.
Brian.
Brian.
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Re: Coach Rake Couplings
As I recall S&W couplings are pulled down by their magnets. Kadees are pulled to the side so your average button magnet will have no effect on them.
Cheers,
David
Cheers,
David
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Re: Coach Rake Couplings
Serjt-Dave wrote:Hi All, still ploughing through a 3 car Bullied set that I'm building. But now the time has come to think about the intermediate couplings between the coaches. They will remain as a permanent rake only having working couplings on the extreme ends of the set. I did buy some of David Bradwell's {Box} Couplings but as I keep looking at them I can't help in thinking they are a bit over engineered. I would like to retain the look of a real coupling, which Bradwell's sort of do {in a bad light and from a mile away} keeping all the pipe work etc visible.
What does everyone else use?
Dave
Hi Dave.
On my Bullied 3 and 4 car sets I used Kadee scale buckeye couplings (set at the correct UK height) between the coaches in the set, and scale screw couplings at the outer end of each end coach in the set.
I know that on the real Bullied coaches the drop buck-couplings were normally buck-eyed coupled together, but I have found it easier to couple the sets to my locomotives with the screw couplings.
Regards
Barry
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Re: Coach Rake Couplings
Hi Barry, thanks for the post. Kadee couplings have been mentioned before and I was thinking of going that way. But then decided to play around with an idea of using some MJT buck-eyes and make them like the Brassmasters cast ones. As you can see from the image I've cleaned a pair of buck-eyes up and made them fit together. Next is to either drill through them both and insert a brass wire {rod} to act as the hook at one end and the fixing loop at the other end, or I may get away with having the brass wire notched in underneath the couplings. Also the brass wire will have a cross bar to which the brake and steam pipes can be soldered to.
I've had to shut down production of this coupling idea as I need to finish off another coach to attach it to and get dimensions etc. The outer ends of the set will have S&W couplings.
I've had to shut down production of this coupling idea as I need to finish off another coach to attach it to and get dimensions etc. The outer ends of the set will have S&W couplings.
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Re: Coach Rake Couplings
Are your coach sets kept on your track or removed for storage etc? Mine have to be taken on and off tracks and being able to just push coaches together to couple with Kaydees is a great advantage. I don’t worry about pipe work as it’s mostly under the corridor connection and like couplings not very visible, certainly when the train is moving.
Tried a semi permanently coupled set and getting it on the track was a pain!
Brian.
Tried a semi permanently coupled set and getting it on the track was a pain!
Brian.
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Re: Coach Rake Couplings
Brian Pearce wrote:Are your coach sets kept on your track or removed for storage etc? Mine have to be taken on and off tracks and being able to just push coaches together to couple with Kaydees is a great advantage. I don’t worry about pipe work as it’s mostly under the corridor connection and like couplings not very visible, certainly when the train is moving.
Tried a semi permanently coupled set and getting it on the track was a pain!
Brian.
Hi Brian,
My 3 or 4-car coach sets are permanently on my layout and never removed, as I am lucky that most of my hidden storage sidings are long enough to store the equivalent of 2 x 4 car EMU's or 7 coaches plus loco.
Only the Bulleid and Maunsell coaches are Kydee coupled within the sets, and as per the prototype, all my ex SR EMU's are screw coupled together in sets, like wise all the parcel vans are all screw coupled together in rakes, and the goods stock are 3 link coupled together in rakes.
Regards
Barry
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