Resurrecting old wagons

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Resurrecting old wagons

Postby Hardwicke » Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:23 am

Found a few wagons half built or second hand ones in need of refurbishment. In all cases they need springing, P4 wheels and couplings, and some need missing parts such as brakes, brake levers and buffers replacing.

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Re: Resurrecting old wagons

Postby Hardwicke » Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:40 pm

Rebuilt a 3H coke hopper.chassis. It now requires Bradwell suspension units
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Re: Resurrecting old wagons

Postby Hardwicke » Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:06 pm

Square chassis

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Re: Resurrecting old wagons

Postby Hardwicke » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:19 pm

A couple of Slater's wagons get prepped for springing. Holes drilled in the frames and headstocks.

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Re: Resurrecting old wagons

Postby Hardwicke » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:59 pm

I've scribed the floor too as although the Slater's kits were astounding at the time and still some of the best around, the raised planking joints has always frustrated me. My early detailed wagons, inspired by Chris Crofts were so scribed. And so are these.
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Re: Resurrecting old wagons

Postby Hardwicke » Wed Sep 22, 2021 2:57 pm

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Re: Resurrecting old wagons

Postby Hardwicke » Fri Oct 29, 2021 11:33 pm

This month's Read the Instructions award goes to a beautiful SR van that someone glued the periscope to the end ! I'll make up some vents from metal...
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Re: Resurrecting old wagons

Postby Hardwicke » Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:23 pm

Now I'm just as daft, as I built up some vents for the van as per the picture and then realised this is a BY not a PMV. NO VENTS !

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Re: Resurrecting old wagons

Postby Tony Wilkins » Thu Nov 04, 2021 12:48 pm

A case of the blind leading the blind methinks. Making assumptions can prove misleading.
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Re: Resurrecting old wagons

Postby John Palmer » Fri Nov 05, 2021 2:38 pm

Now feeling pangs of guilt for having failed to post a facetious message about mixing parts from multiple kits: a luggage van kit wouldn't have included a periscope and a Van C kit wouldn't have included an end vent. Such facetiousness might have rung an alarm bell for you - sorry about that!

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Re: Resurrecting old wagons

Postby Hardwicke » Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:47 pm

John Palmer wrote:Now feeling pangs of guilt for having failed to post a facetious message about mixing parts from multiple kits: a luggage van kit wouldn't have included a periscope and a Van C kit wouldn't have included an end vent. Such facetiousness might have rung an alarm bell for you - sorry about that!

Don't worry. It was good practice for scratch building.
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Re: Resurrecting old wagons

Postby Hardwicke » Tue Dec 28, 2021 1:44 pm

After the article in MRJ about Slater's wagons I had another look at a coke wagon I bought second hand a few years ago. I'd thought it was really good until ...
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Re: Resurrecting old wagons

Postby Paul Willis » Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:17 pm

Hardwicke wrote:After the article in MRJ about Slater's wagons I had another look at a coke wagon I bought second hand a few years ago. I'd thought it was really good until ...20211228_134101.jpg


There's a lot in Stephen Lea's D299 wagon thread on RMWeb about the pitfalls with Slaters kits, and the misaligned headstocks.

He's written at least one tutorial about it on RMWeb, to correct the D299 kit. Whether he mentions it in his article in the latest MRJ, I don't know. I have <ahem> put the magazine down somewhere...

Ah, here it is online... https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/113035-more-pre-grouping-wagons-in-4mm-the-d299-appreciation-thread/page/16/#comment-2788940

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Re: Resurrecting old wagons

Postby Hardwicke » Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:26 pm

I think I'll take 0.5 off the solebar by milling it.
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Re: Resurrecting old wagons

Postby Hardwicke » Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:31 pm

Latest second hand wagon to be rejuvenated is this rather nice Slater's Charles Robert's 7 plank side, end and bottom door wagon in the livery of Instone.
It was virtually reduced to it's component parts and has had Dave Bradwell springing units and Brassmasters couplings added, and the inside painted to look like wood. Brake gear has been repositioned for P4 and new wheels added. It needs some of the paintwork touching up and transfers for the builders plate. It already runs beautifully without any additional weight yet.

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Re: Resurrecting old wagons

Postby Noel » Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:35 pm

It has bottom doors and hence no cross shaft. It therefore should have either-side brake, as virtually all RCH 12T did, which means two brake shoes on each side and explains why it has two 'V' hangers each side.
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Re: Resurrecting old wagons

Postby Hardwicke » Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:03 pm

Rest assured it has double v hangers. I just need to add the bar between the lever and the brake linkage, which also needs fixing in. I'd forgotten it.
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Re: Resurrecting old wagons

Postby Hardwicke » Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:06 pm

I've done some more scribing of internal planks on the Midland Coke today.

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Re: Resurrecting old wagons

Postby Hardwicke » Wed Mar 08, 2023 7:23 pm

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Re: Resurrecting old wagons

Postby Paul Willis » Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:17 pm

I find those York magnetic corners extremely handy.

I was demonstrating at a show a couple of weeks ago, and using a couple of sets on wagon sides. There was much interest in them from visitors. A good thing to tuck away in the tool box.

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Re: Resurrecting old wagons

Postby steve howe » Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:52 am

Would these be the https://yorkmodelrail.com/shop/tools-and-storage/mag-ss-magnetic-mates-small-squares/ type? the do indeed look very useful.... :thumb

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Re: Resurrecting old wagons

Postby Hardwicke » Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:07 pm

A Slater's PO wagon had had a slot cut in the headstock for an automatic coupling. I have now filled it back in with plastikard. It needs redrilling for three link couplings and an etched plate to finish it.

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Re: Resurrecting old wagons

Postby Hardwicke » Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:20 pm

Nu Cast Midland Motor Car Van, has had new Bill Bedford W-irons, Springing and floor.
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Re: Resurrecting old wagons

Postby Neil Smith » Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:38 pm

Re magnetic corner clamps:

There are those from York modelmaking but I have been pleased with a pair I bought here about a year ago:

http://www.smartmodels.co.uk/magnetic-clamps.html

They do have a very strong grip, so even if you think you have two pieces correctly aligned before introducing them, it is worth double checking once in place and adjusting if needed: the magnets snapping together can easily pull things out of where you wanted them to be. But once the alignment is right, they are a dream, holding parts very securely until the solvent/glue/etc. cures. I have not tried them out on brass soldering - I would be fearful of the heat damaging the strength of the magnets - but whitemetal probably would be fine.

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Re: Resurrecting old wagons

Postby Paul Willis » Fri Mar 10, 2023 7:54 pm

steve howe wrote:Would these be the https://yorkmodelrail.com/shop/tools-and-storage/mag-ss-magnetic-mates-small-squares/ type? the do indeed look very useful.... :thumb

Steve


That's the ones. A fair bit more pricy than when I bought my pair, but isn't everything in the world these days.

I'd only bother with getting the single pair set. You can't really do all four corners in one hit, because they would get in the way of each other. Of course, if you have multiple wagon builds on the go at the same time, then fill yer boots!

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