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Postby jon price » Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:05 pm

I realise the horse is not up to normal standards of P4 modelling, but as a simple mechanism there might be something to use! :) https://frugalfun4boys.com/paper-horse-that-walks/?jwsource=cl (scroll down to get the video) but more seriously there is a mechanism that might be perhaps scaled and motorised https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeJ_NUrB30U&t=4s
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Postby steve howe » Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:24 pm

:D :D :D crikey! good luck with that one Tim!

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Postby Tim V » Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:28 pm

Horse droppings might make luxuriant grass, but also it would be walked on by the horses. It would be a well trodden path.
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Postby Phil O » Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:09 pm

I went to Expong around 10 or 12 years ago and they had a shoebox challenge, ie. Build a layout in a shoebox, one of the entries was a Manx horse drawn tram, the horse was held in place by the reigns and the legs were worked by rods connected to the leading crank axle, the rear axle was the driven one.

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Postby Tim V » Sat Jan 29, 2022 11:07 am

Phil O wrote:I went to Expong around 10 or 12 years ago and they had a shoebox challenge, ie. Build a layout in a shoebox, one of the entries was a Manx horse drawn tram, the horse was held in place by the reigns and the legs were worked by rods connected to the leading crank axle, the rear axle was the driven one.

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I have seen that one, but I thought the movements a bit crude.

The one I liked was IJsselstein - a forced perspective model that originally featured a working horse, but by the time I saw it at Warley, the horse was out of commission. I did have a good look at the horse though.
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Postby jon price » Sat Jan 29, 2022 11:36 am

The mechanism in the Ugeaers model I posted looks eminently scaleable and certainly no more complex than inside motion or Walschaerts gear. The model looks complex because the body of the horse is a wooden jigsaw. Rethink in terms of tubes of plastic and it becomes a lot simpler. I'm not sure how small you could easily go but I would think 7mm scale should be attaiunable. The walking man in an earlier video actually has feet that slide backwards and forwards without directly correlating to the forward motion but the horse movement is much better. There are plenty of tiny motors out there, and reins or other tack could supply power from wagons with pickups on their wheels, or carrying batteries.
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Postby Tim V » Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:35 pm

jon price wrote:The mechanism in the Ugeaers model I posted looks eminently scaleable and certainly no more complex than inside motion or Walschaerts gear. The model looks complex because the body of the horse is a wooden jigsaw. Rethink in terms of tubes of plastic and it becomes a lot simpler. I'm not sure how small you could easily go but I would think 7mm scale should be attaiunable. The walking man in an earlier video actually has feet that slide backwards and forwards without directly correlating to the forward motion but the horse movement is much better. There are plenty of tiny motors out there, and reins or other tack could supply power from wagons with pickups on their wheels, or carrying batteries.

Careful, you might get the commission :D
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Postby Paul Willis » Sun Jan 30, 2022 8:58 pm

steve howe wrote:Depending on how weedy the track between the plates would be, static grass might hide the slot? also eyelevel viewing would hide a multitude of sins!

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If you're using real horsepower, then surely the propulsion unit would make short work of any weeds and long grass...

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Postby Paul Townsend » Mon Jan 31, 2022 11:00 am

Part of the joy of our hobby is the variety of skills we require/achieve.

Now add to that list a knowledge of the dietary requirements of a plastic horse :D

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Postby Phil O » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:16 pm

[quote="Paul Townsend"]Part of the joy of our hobby is the variety of skills we require/achieve.

Now add to that list a knowledge of the dietary requirements of a plastic horse :D[/quote ]

Does that also require a man with a shovel and bucket, I suppose it will remain to be seen if it's good for the roses. :P :P

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Postby Paul Willis » Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:35 am

Phil O wrote:Does that also require a man with a shovel and bucket, I suppose it will remain to be seen if it's good for the roses. :P :P


Forgive me if you've seen (or smelt) this one before...

:-)

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blogs/entry/24929-a-pictorial-record-of-horse-manure/

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Postby Tim V » Fri Feb 04, 2022 1:12 pm

While amusing (in a sort of way), the tramway is heavily trafficked, and droppings would quickly get squashed by the next horse along.
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Postby Winander » Fri Feb 04, 2022 3:44 pm

Paul Willis wrote:If you're using real horsepower, then surely the propulsion unit would make short work of any weeds and long grass...

I doubt it would be permitted to graze and they do have to stop to do so, same as when they deposit at the other end. But as Tim says it is heavily trafficked, they would trample the grass down but in a surprisingly narrow strip. Horses will choose the most comfortable path underfoot if they have the opportunity so it may not be perfectly down the middle or straight.
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Postby Tim V » Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:48 pm

For those who are interested (!) have a look at one of the last horse drawn trains on British Railways.
https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/wat ... 962-online
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Postby jon price » Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:08 pm

Interesting wheels on the wagons.
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Postby Paul Willis » Sat Feb 05, 2022 7:52 am

Tim V wrote:For those who are interested (!) have a look at one of the last horse drawn trains on British Railways.
https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/wat ... 962-online


Have you noticed that at 0'53", there is a heck of a derailed wheel?

But the horses just keep pulling. If only my wagons were as resilient as that!

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Postby tmcsean » Sat Feb 05, 2022 8:22 am

Paul Willis wrote:
Tim V wrote:For those who are interested (!) have a look at one of the last horse drawn trains on British Railways.
https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/wat ... 962-online


Have you noticed that at 0'53", there is a heck of a derailed wheel?

But the horses just keep pulling. If only my wagons were as resilient as that!

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And we mustn't forget the Fintona horse tram ( http://www.trolleybus.net/subhtml/picture9.htm) in County Tyrone, Northern Ireland. Until 1957 it linked the small town of Fintona with its junction. It was notable for its pioneering recognition of trans rights in rural Ireland (normally socially conservative, to put it mildly) in that down the years the various tram horses were always known as Dick, regardless of their gender at birth.

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Postby Chas Levin » Sat Feb 05, 2022 8:46 pm

Interesting braking system too (!) - possibly an interesting modelling challenge, including modelling them as working brakes...
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Postby Tim V » Sun Feb 06, 2022 10:58 am

Sprags - very common. Stopped the waggons over-running the horses.

It's the sheer effortlessness and rhythmic quaintness of the whole scene - these chaps have been doing this a long time.
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Postby Chas Levin » Sun Feb 06, 2022 7:46 pm

Agreed, beautiful to watch; practice makes perfect...
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