Wagon floors... Wagon sides... Bare Wood... Worn wood or what?

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Re: Wagon floors... Worn,Corroded or What?

Postby Terry Bendall » Fri Jun 20, 2014 6:33 am

For those coming to the AGM tomorrow, (if not, why not? :) ) I will have on display the rake of Grampus wagons that run on Ravenscroft Sidings. The livery on most of these is shades of rust and I am quite pleased with the final result which is similar to iak's second picture posted on June 12th. The wagons also run on Elcot Road at the moment although they are not correct for the Southern Region but this is a stop gap pending the construction of a more appropriate set.

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Postby iak » Fri Jun 20, 2014 8:31 am

Terry Bendall wrote:For those coming to the AGM tomorrow, (if not, why not? :) ) I will have on display the rake of Grampus wagons that run on Ravenscroft Sidings. The livery on most of these is shades of rust and I am quite pleased with the final result which is similar to iak's second picture posted on June 12th. The wagons also run on Elcot Road at the moment although they are not correct for the Southern Region but this is a stop gap pending the construction of a more appropriate set.

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Any piccies please Terry?
Perhaps we can compare small scale representation of decrepitude and decay... :)
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Postby Terry Bendall » Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:04 am

iak wrote:Any piccies please


I will get some done.

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Re: Wagon floors... Worn,Corroded or What?

Postby newport_rod » Sun Dec 27, 2015 5:40 pm

Sorry, not much a view of the floor but I thought this image taken from a 1955 film was a good illustration on a coal wagon interior. And shows what a challenge we have.

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Postby iak » Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:27 pm

Hmmmm, very stimulating image Rod :thumb
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Postby jim s-w » Sun Jan 24, 2016 11:10 pm

found a couple of images that might be of interest. A new Some new planks and some in the rain. OK the last one is probably only of interest to me and I didnt know that when I took it.
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Re: Wagon floors... Worn,Corroded or What?

Postby dal-t » Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:17 am

Can you tell us what the numbers inside that OCA refer to, Jim?
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Postby jim s-w » Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:55 am

Afraid I have no idea David, sorry.

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Postby Andy W » Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:33 am

Perhaps they were put there to confuse modellers?
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Re: Wagon floors... Worn,Corroded or What?

Postby David Bigcheeseplant » Mon Jan 25, 2016 1:48 pm

I have been trying to model a wagon I have a couple of colour photos of so I have both ends and one side the wagon is a mixture of unpainted wood and probably a colour once but since gone to a dark grey brown.

I sprayed the wagon body silver first! and once dry built up a number of layers of paint by brush of a mix of roof dirt and leather. then again when totally dry took back the paint with a glass fibre pen. The result was something that looked like wood, and an effect I have never got close to with either dry brushing or washes. You need to touch up and use a wash to finish the effect but to my mind This is the way I am going to do it in the future. I will try and post some pictures at some point.

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Postby David Bigcheeseplant » Mon Jan 25, 2016 7:33 pm

No the best photo, but it gives an idea of the result of how I get the wood effect.
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Postby Noel » Mon Jan 25, 2016 7:45 pm

I do like the paint job, but I see that one of my bugbears, inoperable brake gear, has surfaced again... :shock: The number, incidentally, belongs to a diagram 188 16T riveted mineral according to Peter Tatlow's LNER Wagons vol.4A, whereas the model is an RCH 13T.

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Re: Wagon floors... Worn,Corroded or What?

Postby David Bigcheeseplant » Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:48 am

I have built quite a few wagons and take care that the brake gear is correct, so I am at a loss how I made this cock up, as it is a Masokits underframe that can only be built the correct way! Anyway I will correct it otherwise it will bug me forever.

Going back to the weathering the glass fibre bush can be used when doing rusty steel wagons too. build up the rust with a paintbrush use a dark brown not red, then when dry take the paint back with a glass fibre brush.

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Re: Wagon floors... Wagon sides... Bare Wood... Worn wood or what?

Postby iak » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:03 am

A wee addendum to the protocol for creating that battered bare wood look that I like so much.
In addition to the various Lifecolor acrylic paint sets for wood, worn wood, ageing wood, etc; a critical part of the process now is using a very specific primer.
AK Interactive do a Grey Primer/Microfiller (AK758) which gives a very subtle matt finish. It takes any topcoat and drys very hard. All the recent new items of stock have been primed with this primer, below are some examples.

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These items are now part of the "spoil rake" on Mostyn - scabby decrepitude personified... :D
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Re: Wagon floors... Wagon sides... Bare Wood... Worn wood or what?

Postby ralphrobertson » Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:36 pm

That looks very interesting Ian, will have to get some of that.

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Re: Wagon floors... Wagon sides... Bare Wood... Worn wood or what?

Postby Lord Colnago » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:02 pm

Hi Ian,

Like those two, especially the 5 plank. Still struggling to do bare wood justice but I'm not intending to give up. Keep them coming.

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Re: Wagon floors... Wagon sides... Bare Wood... Worn wood or what?

Postby David Thorpe » Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:47 pm

I found this thread very helpful:
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index ... d-example/
Largely following the process described, which relies heavily on drybrushing, but varying the colours to some extent, I achieved what I thought were excellent results for the interiors of some of my wagons.

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Re: Wagon floors... Wagon sides... Bare Wood... Worn wood or what?

Postby Noel » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:05 pm

iak wrote:scabby decrepitude personified...


Indeed. The woodwork of the Highfit is a delight, especially the contrast between the outside (formerly painted) and the inside (never painted, apart from metal items such as bolts and retaining clips). I was struck, though, by the lack of rust; usually wagons with the bodywork in this state had at least some rust on the steel framing and securing bolts, and areas such as the metal strip and retaining clips at the top of the sides. Similarly, the chassis paint [although more robust than that on the body] would commonly have faded to grey and also be showing rust, and, given its use, a liberal coating of dust and dirt from the spoil it carried.

As I model a somewhat earlier period I don't have so much call for wagons in that state, but wooden underframe wagons such as LMS D1666 or RCH 13T minerals were often little better in my period; thanks for the information.
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Re: Wagon floors... Wagon sides... Bare Wood... Worn wood or what?

Postby iak » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:59 pm

Thank you for the comments gents.
The process for weathering is an art to me; it evolves and develops with experience and thought.
Again, take a look at what the military modelling world gets up to. The techniques are transferrable and developing.

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Re: Wagon floors... Wagon sides... Bare Wood... Worn wood or what?

Postby David Thorpe » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:36 pm

iak wrote:A wee addendum to the protocol for creating that battered bare wood look that I like so much.
In addition to the various Lifecolor acrylic paint sets for wood, worn wood, ageing wood, etc; a critical part of the process now is using a very specific primer. AK Interactive do a Grey Primer/Microfiller (AK758) which gives a very subtle matt finish. It takes any topcoat and drys very hard. All the recent new items of stock have been primed with this primer


Assuming that top coat would be applied over it, I wasn't aware that the use of a specific primer would give particular advantages to weathering. Before I splash out on a can of AK758, I'd be very grateful if you would let me know what advantages it has over, say, a standard Halfords grey primer rattle can.

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Re: Wagon floors... Wagon sides... Bare Wood... Worn wood or what?

Postby iak » Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:06 pm

David Thorpe wrote:
iak wrote:A wee addendum to the protocol for creating that battered bare wood look that I like so much.
In addition to the various Lifecolor acrylic paint sets for wood, worn wood, ageing wood, etc; a critical part of the process now is using a very specific primer. AK Interactive do a Grey Primer/Microfiller (AK758) which gives a very subtle matt finish. It takes any topcoat and drys very hard. All the recent new items of stock have been primed with this primer


Assuming that top coat would be applied over it, I wasn't aware that the use of a specific primer would give particular advantages to weathering. Before I splash out on a can of AK758, I'd be very grateful if you would let me know what advantages it has over, say, a standard Halfords grey primer rattle can.

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Essentially David, the surface of this primer, once dry, is ever so slightly rough. I brush it on and then begin with the Lifecolour wood tones. In the past, I have used Halfords Grey Primer, Tamiya primer and others. This AK primer gives me exactly what I have striven for... The results speak for themselves.
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