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Re: Mount Woodville Works

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:49 pm
by Armchair Modeller
RobM wrote:Convinced but cataracts are a prob plus a steady hand for soldering........much of the cab taken up with lead..........if there was a 'fix all' with off the shelf solutions then I would go for it.......read Nigel's blog several times but think way beyond me...................
Rob


Yes, sorry Rob. I was getting a bit carried away (as usual!)

Re: Mount Woodville Works

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:34 pm
by RobM
Armchair Modeller wrote:Yes, sorry Rob. I was getting a bit carried away (as usual!)

No prob Richard, just keep getting carried away......all useful suggestions.
Did you get to the brakes on yours? Today I made a start.....the front shoes bears no resemblance to the drawings having the link angled to the left, mine are angled to the right, the rear shoes are fine. I tried all possibilities but ended up putting a joggle in the top pivot wire which sorted the problem. At the end of the day the bodge will be hidden by the outer frames. Sometimes think I have been supplied with a test etch........
After some other thoughts have taken up your suggestion re the DCC chip and will mount it under the motor with a retaining bar on the inner frame, this will keep all the running gear/electrics as one fixed unit. Photos to follow once done.
Rob

Re: Mount Woodville Works

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:55 pm
by Armchair Modeller
Didn't get as far as the brakes, so I can't advise on them, I am afraid.

Your Ruston trials are getting me thinking again about my own loco. I am beginning to feel a definite urge to scratch-build a new chassis for mine. I am suffering with a really bad cold just now though, making it very difficult to think straight.

Re: Mount Woodville Works

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 2:26 pm
by RobM
Here are the brake shoes over laid on the plan, something definitely wrong with the front. Anyway sorted out as mentioned before and now fitted.

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DCC chip now fitted under the motor and offset to clear the swinging link on the gearbox. It is held in place with a piece of waste fret screwed onto the inner frame (just visible to the left of the chip). Surgery was required on the outer frame to provide clearance for the wires.

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Rob

Re: Mount Woodville Works

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 3:50 pm
by Armchair Modeller
Looking good! The decoder location works better than I had imagined. Which one are you using?

Perhaps too late for yours, but here's a drawing from (I think) a Ruston manual of the real brake gear.

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The rear brake shoe is slightly lower than the front one, though it is barely noticeable.

Re: Mount Woodville Works

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 4:11 pm
by dal-t
Does that work? I don't see a reversing link in the push rod, so it seems applying one shoe releases the other and vice versa ...

Re: Mount Woodville Works

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:23 pm
by RobM
Armchair Modeller wrote:Looking good! The decoder location works better than I had imagined. Which one are you using?

Perhaps too late for yours, but here's a drawing from (I think) a Ruston manual of the real brake gear.
The rear brake shoe is slightly lower than the front one, though it is barely noticeable.


Richard, using a Zimo MX 621 which I have used on my RSH's.
Yup, got that drawing....my point is regarding the front etch.....the link above the shoe is pointing to the rear, it should be pointing to the front. The down link and the shoe are a complete etch so couldn't have been soldered up wrong. On the official drawing both links are inclined towards the front. As I say, I tried all permutations but no way were the brakes going to end up in the right position....... :(

dal-t wrote:Does that work? I don't see a reversing link in the push rod, so it seems applying one shoe releases the other and vice versa ...

David, I didn't see it at first but it does work. The official Ruston drawing shows the brakes in the on position. When the brakes are released there is a link which pivots about a rod with a square end, shown as a hatched square. Above this is a further pivot operating the push/pull rod which would then move forward releasing the front brakes.
Rob

Re: Mount Woodville Works

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:58 pm
by dal-t
Ah yes, I think I've got it now thanks Rob - pity there isn't one of those animated valve-gear gif things to show it operating. I'm just amazed by the tininess of it all - reminds me why I have up NG modelling, when my fingers got wider than an 00-9 mainframe.

Re: Mount Woodville Works

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 6:41 pm
by RobM
:thumb ........
In a slightly younger day I would have done an animated Flash demo for you....but have got a little rusty with Flash animations......last one as per my website in the year dot!!!
Rob

Re: Mount Woodville Works

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:19 pm
by RobM
Mount Woodville Works now has its first diesel loco......
There have been a few livery changes as I experimented but in the end it was the original livery as per John Knowles that I went with. The loco has not yet been overly subjected to the soot, salt and grime from the kilns but drivers with boots clagged up with clay have left their mark.........

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Just the glazing to finish, the driver put into position and the roof secured after painting and weathering.
The motor intruding into the cab is hardly noticeable. Might just have to tone down the Dingham hook.....
Next on the list is a few open shocs, Parkside bodies and Justin's wagon under frames........
Rob

Re: Mount Woodville Works

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:27 pm
by Armchair Modeller
Looks very nice Rob! :thumb

I really must get around to finishing mine :cry:

Re: Mount Woodville Works

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 5:24 pm
by RobM
Thanks Richard, although not without a few minor faults which are not that noticeable.........I know they are there.... :x
Today I finished it off.
If you do get on with yours I'd consider making/adapting a B to B gauge that clears the final drive gear, that was and still is my main concern although it does run OK on a straight test track and yet to be tested on my infilled track....
Would I build another?......Maybe, now knowing the pitfalls......
Rob

Re: Mount Woodville Works

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:35 pm
by Armchair Modeller
RobM wrote:Would I build another?......Maybe, now knowing the pitfalls......
Rob

How many locos does a brickworks need? ;)

Re: Mount Woodville Works

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:39 pm
by garethashenden
Armchair Modeller wrote:
RobM wrote:Would I build another?......Maybe, now knowing the pitfalls......
Rob

How many locos does a brickworks need? ;)

It's a bit like Jaguars, if you have three it's usually possible to keep one going. While I suspect that Rob's models run excellently, the prototypes may not have been quite as reliable.

Re: Mount Woodville Works

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:51 am
by RobM
Armchair Modeller wrote:How many locos does a brickworks need? ;)

Over the years of existence John Knowles had 3 narrow gauge and 5 standard gauge locos, all steam. In the 1960's only 2 standard gauge locos remained....Mount Woodville will only have 2 standard gauge locos....

garethashenden wrote:While I suspect that Rob's models run excellently, the prototypes may not have been quite as reliable.

Not yet excellently........ ;)

Re: Mount Woodville Works

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 12:01 pm
by Armchair Modeller
That certainly shows the sense of sticking to a prototype. Building two locomotives is very achievable!

With a fictitious line like mine, the possibilities are endless...... :shock:

Re: Mount Woodville Works

Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:49 pm
by RobM
Just an update.........currently building some shock opens using Justin's under frames and Parkside bodies for Diag 1/050. Got some of the BR Morton frames but when I got to the brake gear I totally messed up, combination of eye sight and a not too steady a hand. It was a very small cam with 0.31 wire which got the better of me! Back to the drawing board.....I had some of Justin's BR clasp brake under frames which I bought a few years ago and gathering dust and saw, through Paul Bartlett's site, Diag 1/056 which had clasp brakes so that is what I am now pursuing and hopefully the bodies did not change (will welcome any comments in respect of this) .......so far so good, I will have another go at the Morton brakes once I've sorted a clasp brake version (or two).....don't like to be beaten or should I wait until after a cataract operation??
R

Re: Mount Woodville Works

Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 6:24 pm
by Lord Colnago
Hi Rob,

I assume that you are referring to the cam that connects the brake cross shaft to the brake push/pull rods. I know what you mean, its a tricky job. I have done it as per the instructions but I find it easier to mount the cam on the brake shaft, install the brakes and pull/push rods, then manipulate the cam into position such that it looks like its connected to the rods and then solder it to the shaft. Once painted, it doesn't show that the cam isn't pinned to the brake rods. Mind you, it doesn't show that much anyway!

John.

Re: Mount Woodville Works

Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 7:17 pm
by RobM
That is the one John!......I read, re-read and re-read your excellent tutorial and went as per instructions but (because of the eye probs) just could not see what I was doing even with optical aids. I did at one point manage to get the two brake assemblies connected but not in line with the shaft, then I couldn't see where the original was positioned to change to another position where the shaft would engage! I will certainly try your alternative method, it makes more sense (if I can see the 0.31mm holes!!). Justin informs me that he is about to modify that brake assembly......
I don't see it as a problem with Justin's excellent design but just with my ageing process..... :(
Rob

Re: Mount Woodville Works

Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 7:40 pm
by Noel
RobM wrote:Diag 1/056 which had clasp brakes so that is what I am now pursuing and hopefully the bodies did not change (will welcome any comments in respect of this)


The Parkside kit body is actually intended to be Diagram 1/056 [it has butterfly cleats for securing ropes, unlike other diagrams], three lots 3082, 3232 and 3275, all built Derby 1958/59.

Re: Mount Woodville Works

Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:16 am
by RobM
Thanks Noel.

Re: Mount Woodville Works

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:54 pm
by Enigma
Only just got round to reading all this thread and found it quite inspiring. Exactly the sort of layout that gets my juices flowing (so to speak!). Looking forward to seeing it on the circuit in due course.

I've been looking to build a 'replacement' for 'Enigma' and one of the ideas was - a brickworks! Mainly due to buying the Knowles Wooden Box book myself. There are so many small industrial layouts on the go these days that finding a potential industrial subject to base a layout on that doesn't duplicate is getting more difficult. How about a sewage works (Esholt?) - complete with prototypical aroma?

Re: Mount Woodville Works

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:53 am
by RobM
Enigma wrote: There are so many small industrial layouts on the go these days that finding a potential industrial subject to base a layout on that doesn't duplicate is getting more difficult.


I was considering Lion Salt Works Marston, Staffordshire.... Some very interesting buildings especially the wooden ones (Google images of Lion Salt Works). The Adelaide salt works just north of Lion had an extensive railway system. Got the O/S map from NLS. Would make an interesting freelance layout.....Esholt could be interesting.........
In reality I think Mount Woodville will be the last, no where to store any other layouts........
Rob

Re: Mount Woodville Works

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:11 pm
by Armchair Modeller
Enigma wrote:I've been looking to build a 'replacement' for 'Enigma' and one of the ideas was - a brickworks! Mainly due to buying the Knowles Wooden Box book myself. There are so many small industrial layouts on the go these days that finding a potential industrial subject to base a layout on that doesn't duplicate is getting more difficult. How about a sewage works (Esholt?) - complete with prototypical aroma?


Even a brickworks has an aroma. I can still remember the pervasive smell of brickworks around Peterborough from frequent visits to Cambridgeshire in my younger days. Whilst there were many industrial sites with railway connections, it is surprising just how many relied on road transport - sometimes for as little as a few hundred yards from the nearest railway line.

There surely must be some fairly unique themes for private sidings and railway systems out there still.

Re: Mount Woodville Works

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:12 pm
by Enigma
Armchair Modeller wrote:There surely must be some fairly unique themes for private sidings and railway systems out there still.


McKechnie Metals, Widnes for one? Complete with extremely tight double slip?

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(A part scan from 'Industrial Steam' by Fox and King)

Probably foreshortened somewhat by a telephoto lense but still looks like it could be an interesting challenge!

I've not seen any other photos of this site, any leads/links to others would be appreciated.