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by Noel
Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:00 pm
Forum: Signals and Control Systems
Topic: Signal box diagram for Rospeath Lane
Replies: 44
Views: 1827

Re: Signal box diagram for Rospeath Lane

A minor point, but looking at your latest diagram in connection with the track plan, I would move 15 one point to the left, so that it is clearly applicable to, and visible from, any of the shed exit roads, including the rear sidings.
by Noel
Fri Feb 19, 2021 2:39 pm
Forum: Signals and Control Systems
Topic: Signal box diagram for Rospeath Lane
Replies: 44
Views: 1827

Re: Signal box diagram for Rospeath Lane

That Abbotford diagram has the text for FPL 14 in a confusing place, looks as though it refers to point 26 when it should be for point 29. I presume you mean Andoversford, Keith. FPL 14 does relate to 26; the branch is single, and the blue line behind it is a siding [probably a lie-by], 29 being th...
by Noel
Fri Feb 19, 2021 2:32 pm
Forum: Signals and Control Systems
Topic: Signal box diagram for Rospeath Lane
Replies: 44
Views: 1827

Re: Signal box diagram for Rospeath Lane

I think I would drop disc 14, no need for it. Ringed arm 4 should be a disc. This very much depends on when the location was last resignalled, Tim, see Vaughan's Great Western Signalling pp59/60. This was always subject, of course, to subsequent replacements of individual arms or complete signals, ...
by Noel
Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:48 am
Forum: Signals and Control Systems
Topic: Signal box diagram for Rospeath Lane
Replies: 44
Views: 1827

Re: Signal box diagram for Rospeath Lane

I have three questions, 1) I'm unsure of is the Bracket Home signal and which order the signals would have been on the frame? 2) Should there be a shunt from Down to South Yard & Sidings, I have left lever 7 spare just in case? 3) Would 14 be duplicated on the Coaling Stage? 1) My guess is that...
by Noel
Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:00 am
Forum: Guy Rixon
Topic: Socially-distanced challenge: SER 27' close-coupled stock
Replies: 38
Views: 6338

Re: Socially-distanced challenge: SER 27' close-coupled stock

Where was the handbrake linkage on the brake coach?
by Noel
Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:58 am
Forum: Signals and Control Systems
Topic: Signal box diagram for Rospeath Lane
Replies: 44
Views: 1827

Re: Signal box diagram for Rospeath Lane

2. I am not at all sure that you are right to allocate 11 to both ends of the trailing crossover, and same for 13 for going into and out of the shed yard. I appreciate Tim's point about white light ground discs which only apply to a certain route, to minimise the number of dolls, but you could have...
by Noel
Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:42 am
Forum: Signals and Control Systems
Topic: Signal box diagram for Rospeath Lane
Replies: 44
Views: 1827

Re: Signal box diagram for Rospeath Lane

but it strikes me, looking at your track plan even more than the signal box diagram, that the "scissors crossover" arrangement you have to allow the trailing access from both the up and down lines just doesn't feel that prototypical to me. Having seen the full trackplan, I agree entirely....
by Noel
Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:05 pm
Forum: Signals and Control Systems
Topic: Signal box diagram for Rospeath Lane
Replies: 44
Views: 1827

Re: Signal box diagram for Rospeath Lane

31 at Melksham has a similar pair of routes with a single disc, but then has a second disc for a different route apparently worked by the same lever which is an interesting one, must have run out of levers. In the case of situations such as 31, where the locking would basically be the same, as they...
by Noel
Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:54 pm
Forum: Signals and Control Systems
Topic: Signal box diagram for Rospeath Lane
Replies: 44
Views: 1827

Re: Signal box diagram for Rospeath Lane

1) Would there be a ground frame for the shed staff to operate the turnouts in this area which would also have interlocking so that Turnout 24 could not be set for exit unless S1 & S2 turnouts were set so no engine could cross the turntable to down mainline when a loco is exiting the shed? 2) W...
by Noel
Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:18 am
Forum: jim s-w
Topic: Brettell Road
Replies: 605
Views: 178273

Re: Brettell Road

Oxford have modelled both of the vertical end ribs facing the same way on these tanks Thanks for pointing that out, Jim, I hadn't spotted it in photographs [I don't have one, yet]. So far as I know, they should be "T" section as with other tanks; certainly that is what the RCH drawings sh...
by Noel
Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:03 pm
Forum: Trains: Model and Prototype
Topic: GER Society list of 4mm models
Replies: 33
Views: 1651

Re: GER Society list of 4mm models

Bill, if it's so easy, in all of the ways the you have pointed out in rebuttal of Will, perhaps you'd like to demonstrate. My suggestion is the Midland Railway/LMS/LMR. You're starting from a comparable sized entity as the GER, and I'm unaware of an equivalent to the GERS list for the MR. When do y...
by Noel
Tue Feb 02, 2021 4:18 pm
Forum: Layouts and Operations
Topic: Brimsdown-The last grand project.
Replies: 514
Views: 108473

Re: Brimsdown-The last grand project.

Incidentally, the first 5 wagons in the train have been used to carry china clay and I can't think of any reason why they would be traveling this line. I don't think they are in china clay traffic. The WR used Highfits for longer distance clay traffic [both china and ball], but most of that travell...
by Noel
Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:27 am
Forum: PeteT
Topic: Stanier 3P - Judith Edge Kit
Replies: 92
Views: 12241

Re: Stanier 3P - Judith Edge Kit

No, because the bogie is made to slide but there's much more friction than in the hornblocks and it's another thing to fight when the wheel meets a difficult situation Apologies if this is a silly question, but the photos posted so far show the rubbing plates as metal on metal, apparently unlubrica...
by Noel
Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:46 pm
Forum: On My Workbench
Topic: 16T Weathering Experiments
Replies: 35
Views: 3042

Re: 16T Weathering Experiments

Another view of the inside of a 16T [undated on the Nuneaton History website, probably late 1960s at a guess] http://www.nuneatonhistory.com/uploads/1/8/6/8/18680466/6503837_orig.jpg , showing the witness marks on the side and end. The wagon doesn't appear to have any replating or rebodying, but has...
by Noel
Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:49 pm
Forum: Wagons
Topic: Wagon Posters
Replies: 5
Views: 657

Re: Wagon Posters

Be aware that some of the Hollar posters have issues relating to the accuracy of sizes and colours [I would think that I have had access to a much wider range of resources than was available when they were first created, and judging the sizes has not been an easy task even so]. They are not all from...
by Noel
Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:36 pm
Forum: On My Workbench
Topic: 16T Weathering Experiments
Replies: 35
Views: 3042

Re: 16T Weathering Experiments

Continuous wide strip rolling mills start with a hot steel slab and end with a roll of plate of the required thickness. What happens after that depends on what the customer wants. It can be cold rolled to produce sheet, left as it is or "pickled" in acid to clean it. As mineral wagons used...
by Noel
Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:58 pm
Forum: On My Workbench
Topic: 16T Weathering Experiments
Replies: 35
Views: 3042

Re: 16T Weathering Experiments

3). History would also tend to agree these surfaces weren't painted either, wooden minerals always appear unpainted, as do the interiors on general purpose opens and even lorry trailers and platform trolley's etc. Why would a 16T be any different? Because wood and steel were not treated the same wa...
by Noel
Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:18 pm
Forum: On My Workbench
Topic: 16T Weathering Experiments
Replies: 35
Views: 3042

Re: 16T Weathering Experiments

Just a minute here, for years we have been happy with the notion that wagons were unpainted inside. No Dave, we have accepted that open WOODEN bodies were not painted inside. This is supported by photographic evidence, but there is plenty of evidence that steel bodies were painted inside, before th...
by Noel
Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:37 pm
Forum: On My Workbench
Topic: 16T Weathering Experiments
Replies: 35
Views: 3042

Re: 16T Weathering Experiments

Geoff Kent's volume 1 of The 4mm Wagon has a picture of a brand new 16T mineral on page 58, clearly showing a black interior. I thought I had another copy somewhere, but couldn't find it. So much depends on the reproduction that it is difficult to be sure. In both the other copies the interior appe...
by Noel
Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:25 pm
Forum: On My Workbench
Topic: 16T Weathering Experiments
Replies: 35
Views: 3042

Re: 16T Weathering Experiments

As I observed, LNER and LMSR 16T were painted body colour internally, so grey for the LNER; there are photos in LNER Wagons Vol 4A. I have a photo [b&w, sadly] of a brand new BRCW built 16T mineral taken in 1952. The interior is definitely not the same as the external grey; it is a very much dar...
by Noel
Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:50 am
Forum: On My Workbench
Topic: 16T Weathering Experiments
Replies: 35
Views: 3042

Re: 16T Weathering Experiments

The interior colour 16T minerals were painted as built is something I have been trying to establish for many years. The LMSR and LNER ones were painted the same colour as the outside, but BR ones? Asking the question many years ago got several different answers of varying credibility, but I eventual...
by Noel
Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:19 am
Forum: On My Workbench
Topic: Simons workbench industrials. More mineral wagons
Replies: 82
Views: 7132

Re: Simons workbench industrials. 16t mineral wagon

Lots of odd things happened when wagons were re-painted or even with the first painting. There is some truth in this for repaints, which were done by multiple shops, but for new builds we are not discussing small numbers here; Pressed Steel alone produced around 50,000 of the things, other manufact...
by Noel
Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:41 pm
Forum: On My Workbench
Topic: Simons workbench industrials. More mineral wagons
Replies: 82
Views: 7132

Re: Simons workbench industrials. 16t mineral wagon

It still looks a bit heavy - it should be 2 1/2" wide (0.83mm). For the British Railways period, the top of the white line to show the end door on an all-steel mineral should line up around the door hinges rather than the top corner of the side panel. As built most 16T minerals had the white l...
by Noel
Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:37 am
Forum: On My Workbench
Topic: 16T Weathering Experiments
Replies: 35
Views: 3042

Re: 16T Weathering Experiments

I wouldn't worry too much about the base colour, YP, as there was quite a variety; if you have access to a copy of "Steam in South Wales", have a look at the frontispiece - 4 minerals in five different versions of grey, as one has had a partial replating and consequent partial repaint - an...

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