DC111 brake arrangements - a quest

[Mike Garwood]

Gentlemen

On a bit of a quest, but first a confession...I know next to nothing about wagons and vans, so with that in mind, the quest. I have been building a GWR 6t fruit van, from Jidenco - no sniggering at the back - having got the basis of the van together, I need to know the following:

1. What W irons were used and does Mr Bedford do them. I like Bill's springing arrangement for wagons.
2. Can anyone point me to a good reference for the brake arrangements? I've bought the MRD bits, but there aren't any diagrams with the etch. I have downloaded the instructions, but with no knowledge of which part is which or where it goes...I'm stuck!
It goes without saying that I have no reference material for type of thing in my library.

Would anyone be kind enough to help a self confessed ignoramus such as I?

Mike

[grovenor-2685]

Try this
http://www.gwr.org.uk/nowagonbrakes.html
Keith

[Russ Elliott]

Mike - what diagram is it? Y1 or Y2?

Bill's W-irons, the RCH version would do - the shortie version is BFW001, the longer version is BFW002, the latter being preferable if you've got the underframe length (possibly unlikely for either a Y1 or Y2). These are intended primarily for a 3' wheel though, so the RCH NPCS (BFW003) might be more suitable for your 3'7" wheel - depends a bit on how much headroom you've got in the chassis. BB W-iron shapes are shown here.

Some info on DCIII brakes is shown here.

[grovenor-2685]

See also http://www.scalefour.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1096#p7390
Keith

[doktorstamp]

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The last is particularly good at turning up out of print books at reasonable prices

Also the Wildswan series on goods wagons contains a number of drawings with reference to braking layouts.

regards

Nigel

[Mike Garwood]

Russ

It's Y2, sorry should have put that in the info. Thank you so much for the link, now stored in my favs! If I'm reading this right, DC111 was abandoned after 1930 or there abouts? So I could, legitimately, put morton brake gear on this?

Mike

[grovenor-2685]

If I'm reading this right, DC111 was abandoned after 1930 or there abouts?

That does not mean that the existing ones were changed unless they needed major overhaul, just that new vehicles did not get DC3.
Keith

[Mike Garwood]

Thanks Keith, my credit card just sighed a breath of relief!

Mike

[Craig Warton]

Mike,

If you contact Ivan at Southwark Bridge Models he will send you a pdf file of the instructions for his brakegear etch. This has very good diagrams of most of the brakegear variations - including DC3. The etch is not specifically designed for 3'6" wheel stock, but the arrangement of the DC3 is the same concept. I have the SBM etches and they look very nice - Might look at the emardee stuff sometime too. Keith put up a link to my DC2 fitted O13 which I bodged up using bits and pieces - thankfully not needed now.

Regards,

Craig W

[Russ Elliott]

It's Y2, sorry should have put that in the info. Thank you so much for the link, now stored in my favs! If I'm reading this right, DC111 was abandoned after 1930 or there abouts? So I could, legitimately, put morton brake gear on this?

No Y2s received Morton gear. You want DCIII with 8-clasp yokes or a side-lever brake with 8-clasp shoes. Most Y2s that survived the 1930s ended up with DCIII gear.

This (from Raymond Walley's site) is a single side-lever (non-DCIII) brake (for a carriage truck), but does show the 8-clasp arrangement, although I'm not sure he's got the orientation of his yoke-puller (on the central shaft) correct:



The DCIII gear is then added to the above arrangement, minus the side-lever brake. It gets a bit complicated, and there's very little space for the DCIII end brackets between the W-iron and the headstock.

I might get round to doing a drawing of it one day.

I think the Jidenco is a 'multi-louvre' Y2, so your running numbers are 2341 - 2360 (old series lot 680), 2321 - 2340 (lot 35), 2319/20 (lot 86).

Here's a multi-louvre Y2 in mid-era GW livery (linked from the GWS site). Being 'passenger stock', they would have been eligible for crimson in early BR(W) days, but whether any did receive a repaint during that time is unknown:

[Mike Garwood]

Russ

Thank you so much for that, everything I need to finish the beast.

Mike

[grovenor-2685]

For anyone who does not have access to MRC July '78 I have dug out my scan from archive. See attached
Regards
Keith

GW-brakes.pdf

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[Russ Elliott]

Thanks Keith - I was looking for that one on my system, but I couldn't remember the filename. It didn't occur to me to look in the archives (doh! for me).

[grovenor-2685]

I meant the archive on my system here, it would have been tricky for you to look
Keith